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Vickers need suppression

8 Mar 2019, 00:35 AM
#1
avatar of kingdun3284

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I don't care about its damage.You simply can nerf it into Mg34 level.But please let Vickers to do their job that a MG supposed to which is suppression.Really tired of volks walk straight into it and throwing incendiary nade without being suppressed. Tired of Vickers can only suppress a single squad after two whole burst which is longer than any mg while the second volks can just throw nade into it or even walk through it while Mg42 can suppress infinite troops within an area with its first burst. Tired of MG42 can actually suppress squad in green cover while Vickers can't. Welcome for more Vickers being suck as an mg complainment.

Don't tell me anything about 1v1, I am mainly playing 4v4 only and this is the only mode that still keep this game alive.
8 Mar 2019, 00:43 AM
#3
avatar of Farlon

Posts: 175

The problem with Vickers is because of its high damage it kills a model before suppression hits in which causes it to reset. And no, MG42 cannot suppress units in green cover if they're positioned correctly either.
8 Mar 2019, 00:48 AM
#4
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Invised post for flame.

Constructive criticism only please.
8 Mar 2019, 00:49 AM
#5
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If Vg can throw grenades while attacking frontally that is an issues of VGs and not of the HMG.
ddd
8 Mar 2019, 00:53 AM
#6
avatar of ddd

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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Mar 2019, 00:49 AMVipper
If Vg can throw grenades while attacking frontally that is an issues of VGs and not of the HMG.


You do realize every squad can do it, not only volks...?
8 Mar 2019, 00:55 AM
#7
avatar of distrofio

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Game is balance 1v1 mainly, after that teamgames.
Vickers is a High damage HMG to have something unique in its design and the faction, also its really usefull to get model kills rather fast. A vickers is able to clear a building faster than an HMG42.
Finally, please take a moment to play other factions and therefore understand weaknesses and strong points of each unit.
You stand like vickers its trash and its not. It only has a questionable damage/suppression ratio. Still it has good suppression rather others HMGS, like MG34 or .50 cal IIRC
8 Mar 2019, 00:56 AM
#8
avatar of distrofio

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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Mar 2019, 00:53 AMddd


You do realize every squad can do it, not only volks...?

Thats not true...
8 Mar 2019, 01:10 AM
#9
avatar of RoastinGhost

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I think it would be fair if low-suppression MGs had better suppression at close-mid range. That way, it's harder to attack them frontally, but they still don't shut down large portions of the battlefield like the high-suppression MGs.
8 Mar 2019, 01:12 AM
#10
avatar of Mittens
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Mar 2019, 00:43 AMFarlon
The problem with Vickers is because of its high damage it kills a model before suppression hits in which causes it to reset. And no, MG42 cannot suppress units in green cover if they're positioned correctly either.


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It kills the model before the suppress builds and then you have to wait for it to target which takes years in game time.
ddd
8 Mar 2019, 01:38 AM
#11
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Thats not true...


Yes it is.
8 Mar 2019, 02:43 AM
#12
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Mar 2019, 00:53 AMddd


You do realize every squad can do it, not only volks...?


Negative. Charge an mg42 or even a 34 frontally and throw a grenade at it, won't gel. Vickers, maxim and sometimes the 50 (feels inconsistent) will usually get smoked.
8 Mar 2019, 02:55 AM
#13
avatar of kingdun3284

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Thats not true...


Try to play 4v4 as UKF, that's always true.
8 Mar 2019, 04:42 AM
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8 Mar 2019, 07:22 AM
#15
avatar of Bananenheld

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Negative. Charge an mg42 or even a 34 frontally and throw a grenade at it, won't gel. Vickers, maxim and sometimes the 50 (feels inconsistent) will usually get smoked.

Ill do some test this evening. I csnt believe that works. Im 100% sure that you will get suppressed if you xharge max range (which is greater than the sight range of the mg)
8 Mar 2019, 07:39 AM
#16
avatar of DonnieChan

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Vickers need suppression



OK, im fine with that.

if mg32 or mg42 get 20% more range in houses
8 Mar 2019, 08:11 AM
#17
avatar of SeductiveCardbordBox

Posts: 449

The building thing is a trashy gimmick. Houses quickly become death traps as games progress, trenches are not much better, and the MG setup/teardown time is just begging for a squad wipe. Stukas love it!

The bonus building range vet ability is bad. It replaces what could otherwise have been a useful veterancy ability. By all means, slap it on anything you fancy.


Terrible veterancy aside, I'm perfectly happy gutting the danage on it. I don't buy a MG for modest DPS when my sections already are the second most expensive T0 infantry. HMGs are suppression tools abd the vickers damage output makes it actively worse at that, which is awful.
8 Mar 2019, 08:52 AM
#18
avatar of SuperHansFan

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The building bonus was ok when garrison damage from indirect wasn't so bad (also wehr sniper didn't have 100% accuracy). But it's one of those abilities that are hard to balance when their good.

Now scrap it and replace with incendiary rounds. Or possibly a "tracer rounds" ability that work as a decent accuracy bonus for supporting units to whatever it's shooting at (kind of like a mark target but only active when shooting)
ddd
8 Mar 2019, 09:03 AM
#19
avatar of ddd

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Negative. Charge an mg42 or even a 34 frontally and throw a grenade at it, won't gel. Vickers, maxim and sometimes the 50 (feels inconsistent) will usually get smoked.


I think you misunderstood, i meant every squad can frontally charge VICKERS and nade it. Vipper said in earlier post that the problem is with volks, wich is bullshi.
ddd
8 Mar 2019, 09:06 AM
#20
avatar of ddd

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OK, im fine with that.

if mg32 or mg42 get 20% more range in houses


No, just remove bonus range from vickers and give it supression, problem solved.
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