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GCS main round stats w/ updates

24 Apr 2017, 09:30 AM
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These are map, commander and faction statistics for the GCS main round. The brackets are found here.

For links to replays, check out this thread. Stats for the placement matches can be found here.

Stats after all 114 games of the tournament. Six replays (which are used here to determine commanders only) are missing (steffenbk1 vs Zarok (G4), TwistedTootsy vs. BartonPL (G2), Talisman vs. Fredbrik (G1), Lt.Baumy vs. Luvnest (G4) and G3&G4 of VonIvan vs. HelpingHans) so no commander selections for those.

G4 of the semi of VonIvan vs. DevM was actually ruled in favor of VonIvan due to bugsplat, but I counted here for for DevM, as I feel that that would be a better reflection of faction/map/player/commander performance (unless OKW has the ability to make the opponent bugsplat in 1% of cases).


Faction stats


Factions




ostheerostheer sovietssoviets okwokw usfusf ukfukf
picked
53
52
61
36
26
won
27
29
24
20
14
won(%)
50
55
39
55
53


Matchups



Matchupostheerostheer/sovietssovietsostheerostheer/usfusfostheerostheer/ukfukfokwokw/sovietssovietsokwokw/usfusfokwokw/ukfukf
games
27
11
15
25
25
11
Allied victory
14
4
8
15
16
6
Allied victory (%)
51
36
53
60
64
54



Map stats












gamesmap name
38
Crossroads
26
Kholodny Ferma (Summer)
18
Crossing in the Woods
32
Faymonville Approach


Faymonville Approach




ostheerostheer sovietssoviets okwokw usfusf ukfukf
picked
16
15
16
7
10
won
6
9
5
5
7
won(%)
38
60
31
71
70


Crossing in the Woods




ostheerostheer sovietssoviets okwokw usfusf ukfukf
picked
8
8
10
6
4
won
6
4
3
4
1
won(%)
75
50
30
67
25


Kholodny Ferma (Summer)




ostheerostheer sovietssoviets okwokw usfusf ukfukf
picked
8
13
18
10
3
won
4
10
5
5
2
won(%)
50
77
28
50
67


Crossroads




ostheerostheer sovietssoviets okwokw usfusf ukfukf
picked
21
16
17
13
9
won
11
6
11
6
4
won(%)
52
38
65
46
44



Commanders


Commander names are colored according to win percentages:
  • 0%
  • 25%
  • 50%
  • 75%
  • 100%


OH doctrines
Commander choices available for 51 games























vs. sovietssoviets:
10 Lightning War Doctrine
3 Mechanized Assault Doctrine
3 Elite Troops Doctrine
1 Osttruppen Doctrine
3 Blitzkrieg Doctrine
2 None picked
3 Mobile Defense Doctrine
1 German Mechanized Doctrine
vs. usfusf:
3 Lightning War Doctrine
5 Mechanized Assault Doctrine
2 Osttruppen Doctrine
1 None picked
vs. ukfukf:
3 Lightning War Doctrine
1 Mechanized Assault Doctrine
4 Elite Troops Doctrine
3 Osttruppen Doctrine
1 Blitzkrieg Doctrine
1 None picked
1 German Mechanized Doctrine


SOV tactics
Commander choices available for 48 games



















vs. ostheerostheer:
8 Lend Lease Tactics
6 Counterattack Tactics
2 Defensive Tactics
1 Guard Motor Coordination Tactics
4 Soviet Reserve Army
2 Advanced Warfare Tactics
1 Partisan Tactics
1 Soviet Shock Army
1 Armored Assault Tactics
vs. okwokw:
12 Lend Lease Tactics
3 Defensive Tactics
3 Guard Motor Coordination Tactics
1 Advanced Warfare Tactics
1 Partisan Tactics
1 Terror Tactics
1 Shock Rifle Frontline Tactics


OKW doctrines
Commander choices available for 57 games



























vs. sovietssoviets:
6 Special Operations Doctrine
3 Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine
2 Scavange Doctrine
4 Breakthrough Doctrine
3 Fortifications Doctrine
2 None picked
1 Elite Armored Doctrine
1 Overwatch Doctrine
vs. usfusf:
10 Special Operations Doctrine
4 Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine
2 Scavange Doctrine
3 Breakthrough Doctrine
2 Fortifications Doctrine
1 None picked
1 Elite Armored Doctrine
1 Overwatch Doctrine
vs. ukfukf:
2 Special Operations Doctrine
1 Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine
4 Scavange Doctrine
1 Breakthrough Doctrine
1 Fortifications Doctrine
1 None picked
1 Elite Armored Doctrine


USF companies
Commander choices available for 35 games














vs. ostheerostheer:
6 Armor Company
2 None picked
2 Heavy Cavalry Company
1 Tactical Support Company
vs. okwokw:
10 Armor Company
4 None picked
4 Heavy Cavalry Company
3 Mechanized Company
1 Infantry Company
1 Rifle Company
1 Airborne Company


UKF regiments
Commander choices available for 25 games











vs. ostheerostheer:
10 Special Weapons Regiment
2 Mobile Assault Regiment
1 Vanguard Operations Regiment
1 None picked
vs. okwokw:
6 Special Weapons Regiment
2 Mobile Assault Regiment
2 Vanguard Operations Regiment
1 Tactical Support Regiment



Games


A big, red "X" means that no commander was picked. A "-" indicates that the commander choice is unknown due to a missing replay file.


















































































































[
Incredible FaHusovietssoviets-vs-
DevM
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
DevM
usfusf-vs-
Incredible FaHu
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
DevM
usfusf-vs-
Incredible FaHu
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
VonAsten
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Spanky
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Insane Spanky
usfusf-vs-
VonAsten
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
VonAsten
ukfukf-vs-
Insane Spanky
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
Fredbrik
ukfukf-vs-
Earth
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Earth
ukfukf-vs-
Fredbrik
okwokw onCrossroads
Fredbrik
ukfukf-vs-
Earth
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Rachmaninoffusfusf-vs-
Talisman
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
Talisman
sovietssoviets-vs-Rachmaninoffokwokw onFaymonville Approach
Rachmaninoffusfusf-vs-
Talisman
okwokw onCrossroads
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-Burmieostheerostheer onCrossroads
Burmieukfukf-vs-
VonIvan
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Burmie
sovietssoviets-vs-
VonIvan
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
Burmie
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
=★= Pappy O'Daniel
usfusf-vs-
Jérémy
okwokw onCrossroads
Jérémyusfusf-vs-
=★= Pappy O'Daniel
okwokw onCrossroads
=★= Pappy O'Daniel
usfusf-vs-
Jérémy
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
Tobis
usfusf-vs-
Andres-TC
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Andres-TC
sovietssoviets-vs-
Tobis
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Andres-TC
sovietssoviets-vs-
Tobis
okwokw onCrossroads
Tobis
usfusf-vs-
Andres-TC
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Refero
sovietssoviets-vs-
Theodosios
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
Theodosios
ukfukf-vs-
Refero
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
Refero
sovietssoviets-vs-
Theodosios
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Theodosios
usfusf-vs-
Refero
okwokw onCrossroads
Theodosios
usfusf-vs-
Refero
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Finndeed
usfusf-vs-
Luvnest
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Luvnest
usfusf-vs-
Finndeed
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Finndeed
usfusf-vs-
Luvnest
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
Tomakaze
sovietssoviets-vs-
Lt.Baumy
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Lt.Baumy
sovietssoviets-vs-
Tomakaze
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Tomakaze
sovietssoviets-vs-
Lt.Baumy
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
havoc lol
sovietssoviets-vs-
Jesulin
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
Jesulin
sovietssoviets-vs-
havoc lol
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
Jesulin
sovietssoviets-vs-
havoc lol
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
|GB| The H[oo]ligan486
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Insane Aimstrong
ukfukf-vs-
|GB| The H[oo]ligan486
okwokw onCrossroads
|GB| The H[oo]ligan486
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
Insane Aimstrong
ukfukf-vs-
|GB| The H[oo]ligan486
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
|GB| The H[oo]ligan486
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
ku2521
sovietssoviets-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
HelpingHans
ukfukf-vs-
ku2521
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
ku2521
ukfukf-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
Zarok
ukfukf-vs-
steffenbk1
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
steffenbk1
usfusf-vs-
Zarok
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
Zarok
ukfukf-vs-
steffenbk1
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
steffenbk1
sovietssoviets
-
-vs-
Zarok
okwokw
-
onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
steffenbk1
sovietssoviets-vs-
Zarok
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Jae for Jett
usfusf-vs-
SoLKoreanArmy
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
SoLKoreanArmy
sovietssoviets-vs-
Jae for Jett
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
SoLKoreanArmy
sovietssoviets-vs-
Jae for Jett
okwokw onCrossroads
Jae for Jett
usfusf-vs-
SoLKoreanArmy
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
TwistedTootsy
ukfukf-vs-
BartonPL
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
BartonPL
sovietssoviets
-
-vs-
TwistedTootsy
okwokw
-
onFaymonville Approach
BartonPL
usfusf-vs-
TwistedTootsy
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Tobis
usfusf-vs-
Theodosios
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Theodosios
usfusf-vs-
Tobis
okwokw onCrossroads
Tobis
usfusf-vs-
Theodosios
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
=★= Pappy O'Daniel
usfusf-vs-
VonIvan
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
=★= Pappy O'Daniel
okwokw onCrossroads
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
=★= Pappy O'Daniel
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
VonAsten
sovietssoviets-vs-
DevM
okwokw onCrossroads
DevM
usfusf-vs-
VonAsten
okwokw onCrossroads
DevM
usfusf-vs-
VonAsten
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
Talisman
sovietssoviets
-
-vs-
Fredbrik
okwokw
-
onCrossroads
Fredbrik
ukfukf-vs-
Talisman
okwokw onCrossroads
Fredbrik
ukfukf-vs-
Talisman
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
Talisman
sovietssoviets-vs-
Fredbrik
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
Talisman
sovietssoviets-vs-
Fredbrik
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Luvnest
ukfukf-vs-
Lt.Baumy
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
Lt.Baumy
sovietssoviets-vs-
Luvnest
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
Lt.Baumy
sovietssoviets-vs-
Luvnest
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Luvnest
usfusf
-
-vs-
Lt.Baumy
okwokw
-
onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Jesulin
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Insane Aimstrong
ukfukf-vs-
Jesulin
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Jesulin
usfusf-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
HelpingHans
ukfukf-vs-
Zarok
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Zarok
sovietssoviets-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
HelpingHans
ukfukf-vs-
Zarok
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
BartonPL
sovietssoviets-vs-
SoLKoreanArmy
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
SoLKoreanArmy
sovietssoviets-vs-
BartonPL
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
SoLKoreanArmy
ukfukf-vs-
BartonPL
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
Talisman
sovietssoviets-vs-
DevM
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
DevM
usfusf-vs-
Talisman
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
Talisman
sovietssoviets-vs-
DevM
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
DevM
usfusf-vs-
Talisman
okwokw onCrossing in the Woods
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
[WH]Theodosios
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
[WH]Theodosios
usfusf-vs-
VonIvan
okwokw onCrossroads
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
[WH]Theodosios
okwokw onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Luvnest
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Insane Aimstrong
ukfukf-vs-
Luvnest
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
Luvnest
sovietssoviets-vs-
Insane Aimstrong
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
BartonPL
sovietssoviets-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
HelpingHans
ukfukf-vs-
BartonPL
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
BartonPL
sovietssoviets-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
DevM
ostheerostheer onCrossroads
DevM
usfusf-vs-
VonIvan
okwokw onCrossroads
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
DevM
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
DevM
usfusf-vs-
VonIvan
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
DevM
usfusf-vs-
VonIvan
okwokw onFaymonville Approach
HelpingHans
ukfukf-vs-
Luvnest @ Operation Sea Lion 2.0
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
Luvnest
usfusf-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onKholodny Ferma (Summer)
HelpingHans
ukfukf-vs-
Luvnest
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
Luvnest
usfusf-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onFaymonville Approach
VonIvan
sovietssoviets-vs-
HelpingHans
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
HelpingHansukfukf-vs-
VonIvan
ostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
VonIvan
sovietssoviets
-
-vs-HelpingHansostheerostheer
-
onaymonville Approach
HelpingHansukfukf
-
-vs-
VonIvan
ostheerostheer
-
onFaymonville Approach
Luvnest
sovietssoviets-vs-DevMostheerostheer onCrossroads
DevMusfusf-vs-
Luvnest
okwokw onCrossroads
Luvnest
sovietssoviets-vs-DevMostheerostheer onCrossing in the Woods
DevMsovietssoviets-vs-
24 Apr 2017, 10:15 AM
#2
avatar of Delodax

Posts: 49

I guess Soviets are less bad than some people were worried about?
24 Apr 2017, 12:33 PM
#3
avatar of Judge Fred

Posts: 15

Permanently Banned

Faction stats


Factions




ostheerostheer sovietssoviets okwokw usfusf ukfukf
picked
12
10
17
13
6
won
4
7
7
7
4
won(%)
33
70
41
53
66





Damn Ostheer needs an urgent nerf.
24 Apr 2017, 12:40 PM
#4
avatar of Neris

Posts: 132

Before pzfaust change - soviets worst win rate in gcs placements.

After pzfaust change - soviets best win rate in gcs main round.

:luvDerp:
24 Apr 2017, 13:42 PM
#5
avatar of RifleMan

Posts: 35

soviets are real cheesy with their demo wipes/flamer car, cheap partyson instant at nade and shreck, etc..., they are the toughest opponents whenever I play 1v1s...
24 Apr 2017, 13:44 PM
#6
avatar of Mr.Smith

Posts: 2636 | Subs: 18

jump backJump back to quoted post24 Apr 2017, 10:15 AMDelodax
I guess Soviets are less bad than some people were worried about?


Due to how matchups in the first round of GCS are determined this dataset can, at best, tell you what factions the best players prefer to play as.

e.g., if DevM's favourite faction was not USF, the winrate for USF would go down, etc.

You can expect to see more-balanced matchups starting from the 2nd round and above.

Tobis vs Andres and Theodosios vs Refero seem to have been more evenly matched than the other matches on that round. (I've only watched Tobis' matches though).
24 Apr 2017, 14:00 PM
#7
avatar of Sturmpanther
Lead Strategist Badge

Posts: 4777 | Subs: 14

You can't say 1 faction is OP or UP at all. I agree that like OKW is in a very good spot, thats for sure, but it also depends on the map.

Also like when rank 32 plays vs rank 1. And rank 1 wins 3 games. He probaly would win with anyfaction the 3 games tbh.

So yes numbers and stats are great, but also you have to look on the players and the map!
24 Apr 2017, 14:06 PM
#8
avatar of mycalliope

Posts: 721

but but threads are filled with axis op and that allies suck much that they need to removed from the game. /s

i am 100% sure more axis nerfs are coming just because modders giving into pressure of allied bullies in the threads just like relic did.....and no making axis weak early because they are strong late game is suhc bullshit because they are not better late game then other faction the only strong late game factions is actually ukfs....the axis tanks infantry are already nerfed to the ground nothing elite about them
24 Apr 2017, 17:22 PM
#9
avatar of Delodax

Posts: 49



Due to how matchups in the first round of GCS are determined this dataset can, at best, tell you what factions the best players prefer to play as.

e.g., if DevM's favourite faction was not USF, the winrate for USF would go down, etc.

You can expect to see more-balanced matchups starting from the 2nd round and above.

Tobis vs Andres and Theodosios vs Refero seem to have been more evenly matched than the other matches on that round. (I've only watched Tobis' matches though).


Definitely. Just, given how much bullshitting that's been going around lately, one could imagine not even VonIvan playing Soviets would be able to beat a monkey playing Axis ;)
24 Apr 2017, 17:58 PM
#10
avatar of ShadowLinkX37
Director of Moderation Badge

Posts: 3075

Sample size to small to be accurate representation of faction balance currently. Seeding of first round also often pit a high seed vs a low seed and resulted in large skill gap games where the high seed could most likely have won with any faction. At least wait for the first round to conclude this Sunday to begin making assumptions. :) Also if USF won the only games on crossing in the woods clearly there was a skill gap. OpieOP
24 Apr 2017, 18:29 PM
#11
avatar of Outsider_Sidaroth

Posts: 1278 | Subs: 2

Sample size to small to be accurate representation of faction balance currently. Seeding of first round also often pit a high seed vs a low seed and resulted in large skill gap games where the high seed could most likely have won with any faction. At least wait for the first round to conclude this Sunday to begin making assumptions. :) Also if USF won the only games on crossing in the woods clearly there was a skill gap. OpieOP


That DevM game in Camping in the Woods was brutal, definitively the best game out of the 3, A_E quoting The Simpsons makes it unforgetable.
24 Apr 2017, 19:02 PM
#12
avatar of insaneHoshi

Posts: 911

So they are using the new patch I take it?
26 Apr 2017, 08:52 AM
#13
avatar of Siphon X.
Senior Moderator Badge

Posts: 1074 | Subs: 2

Games reordered according to brackets and added commander picks.
26 Apr 2017, 10:18 AM
#14
avatar of SturmTigerVorgo

Posts: 297

Yeah OH on life support, but this is not a surprise, even before the patch I was struggling to find a cast or replay with WM wins :D I may be bad at this game but it looks like everybody is bad with OH.
If OH loses it's L2P issue, if allies lose it's imbalance issue. Allies fanboys are better at complaining i guess or they are more in numbers. Not too many people play WM nowadays.
26 Apr 2017, 14:13 PM
#15
avatar of frostbite

Posts: 476

Yeah OH on life support, but this is not a surprise, even before the patch I was struggling to find a cast or replay with WM wins :D I may be bad at this game but it looks like everybody is bad with OH.
If OH loses it's L2P issue, if allies lose it's imbalance issue. Allies fanboys are better at complaining i guess or they are more in numbers. Not too many people play WM nowadays.

its real funny that u say that because most of the time there is alot more axis calling for nerfs on allies and thats why there is so many nerfs to allies, and u know how allies respond? they just adjust and keep playing. almost every patch in the last 2 years , each one of the patches have more allies nerfs then axis nerfs. proven fact
26 Apr 2017, 14:28 PM
#16
avatar of SturmTigerVorgo

Posts: 297

@frostbite - the fact that they were nerfed just proves how overpowered they were in the past.
And we all know that the patches fix only few things at a time ( and sometime revert the changes).
I am sure the fanboys can find lots of arguments just like yours but the numbers don't lie. It's obviously easier to win as allies, just check DevM stats.
26 Apr 2017, 14:35 PM
#17
avatar of frostbite

Posts: 476

alot of axis players were used to a very simple style of play, they would get mgs and make units retreat and sit there. get tanks and always fight head on while enemy tanks deflect every thing. blitskrieg in blitzkrieg out.... smoke away from deaths. winning op inf fights.
while allies always tried hard using flanking manuevers smokes mines tons of strategy to avoid mgs. basically using everything they can think of to kill super tanks and axis blobs. and they eventually got better then axis players. that called for allies nerfs to even out the win /lose ratio. and till this day things like that stil exists. its getting alot better now tho
26 Apr 2017, 14:38 PM
#18
avatar of Dyzfunction

Posts: 73

Allies OP. Buff zee Germans bitte.
26 Apr 2017, 15:30 PM
#19
avatar of PanzerGeneralForever

Posts: 1067

alot of axis players were used to a very simple style of play, they would get mgs and make units retreat and sit there. get tanks and always fight head on while enemy tanks deflect every thing. blitskrieg in blitzkrieg out.... smoke away from deaths. winning op inf fights.
while allies always tried hard using flanking manuevers smokes mines tons of strategy to avoid mgs. basically using everything they can think of to kill super tanks and axis blobs. and they eventually got better then axis players. that called for allies nerfs to even out the win /lose ratio. and till this day things like that stil exists. its getting alot better now tho


What about players that play axis and Allies equally? Balance opinions shouldn't be taken seriously from people who only play one side because obviously there will be a large amount of bias. No AHP pairwise comparison and checking for consistency ratio < 0.1 is gonna fix that bias.
26 Apr 2017, 16:56 PM
#20
avatar of sherlock
Patrion 14

Posts: 550 | Subs: 1

The sample here is far too small and also dominated by very clearly won matchups (3-0 or 3-1) to make any inferences on balance. The only remotely sensible way to look at these matches would be by only looking at matches that seemed less clear cut, i.e. where each of the players did win at least one game (an approach chosen by Cruzzi in the GCS matches before the main round). Otherwise the result is just an indication for the skill gab and not for the balance since most of these clear cut series had the "stronger" player starting with an allied faction.

A lot more games will be needed ;)

Again, thanks to Siphon X., for the fantastic work.
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