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elchino7
22 Oct 2015, 17:56 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 17:33 PMBurts

Keep in mind that the pershing also has the very strong combined arms ability, which gives the tank EXTRA range essentially giving it 60 range and 60 sight range, and its special ability is not an AP shell, but a piercing shot that pierces buildings. Like ISU-152 piercing shot.

Jacksons with more than 60 + range + self sight , ouch. The commander is going to have alot of lategame power.


Overall i can't believe some people think the pershing will be bad. The pershing is suprisingly perfectly balanced and its stats are just right. They fit in the american design of fragile, mobile and hard hitting very well.


That's more an issue with the combined arms ability. Unless it's a passive ability (which would be OP) i don't think it should be balance around it. Knowing this, i don't think messing with range is a good idea. Sight and RoF, sure.
This design of the units is fine if you combine it with this and that doesn't work. See Valentine and Sexton, post nerf Osstruppen and Artillery officer, FHQ and 45mm AT gun, etc.
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22 Oct 2015, 17:57 PM
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This thread reassures me that the Wagnerian Ring Cycle is not doomed, and that the illustrious voices of the Clan Circle Jerk choir (with their occasional guest impresarios) will have plenty about which to carouse, in loud refrain, for weeks...indeed months to come... :(

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Kubelecer
22 Oct 2015, 18:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 17:54 PMbC_
Subject to change:


Ranger stats:

Weapon Slots 3
5 Man
Target Size: 0.8

Vet1: Grenade recharge time reduce
Vet 2: heals out of combat, improved accuracy, grenade range increase
Vet 3: weapon cooldown reduction, receive accuracy



Combined arm
Cost: 100 (probably going to go up)
Duration: 60

Radius: 30

Infantry: Sight Increase, Reload increase, Accuracy Increase

Vehicle: Sight Increase, Reload, Range Increase


3 Weapon slots but you get 4 thompsons? How does that work?

Also I'm pretty sure you mean reload decreased not increased in combined arms?
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My place in the ladder is irrelevant as long as I am matched with opponents of the same rank and play all factions (balance at place 1000+ is no different from balance in top 100 if we consider what I said before the brakets) so I don't care about your assertion which is also irrelevant.

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Katitof
22 Oct 2015, 18:01 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 17:33 PMBurts



Keep in mind that the pershing also has the very strong combined arms ability, which gives the tank EXTRA range essentially giving it 60 range and 60 sight range

The ability isn't really relevant in any way.

Shocks can be boosted by FTM and they aren't weaker in this particular doctrine.

Tiger can have SCAS protecting it and it doesn't mean it have reduced armor or penetration.

Overall i can't believe some people think the pershing will be bad. The pershing is suprisingly perfectly balanced and its stats are just right. They fit in the american design of fragile, mobile and hard hitting very well.


Bad? Not really.
Overpriced in relation to comet and panther?
Without a question, unless it have almost non existent scatter values and Tiger like AoE.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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SpaceHamster
22 Oct 2015, 18:02 PM
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Does anyone know how much radius 30 is ingame? Seems kind of big but not too big.
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Omega_Warrior
22 Oct 2015, 18:10 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 18:00 PMKubelecer


3 Weapon slots but you get 4 thompsons? How does that work?

Also I'm pretty sure you mean reload decreased not increased in combined arms?
So far no SMG in the game actually takes up a weapon slot, so I assume the thompsons will continue this trend.
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22 Oct 2015, 19:04 PM
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Oh great self spotting tanks that get increased range. What can go wrong?? Hurr might as well retreat everything to base. No way in hell would it be possible to fight jacksons and buffed up rangers. Without multiple mgs and paks in front of your tanks.

Ability basically removes all your offensive power/ability to hold ground and gives it to the US player. Because you basically turn all your units into an EXP pinata. Where you'll keep getting shot and penned from ranges you can't engage from with any unit.

If tanks are going to get decreased reload and self spot and affect infantry? Remove increased range, sounds retarded.
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22 Oct 2015, 19:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Oct 2015, 18:07 PMBurts



Where exactly did you get this "very poor" mobility from?


Just because wikipedia states that the pershing had a very slow off-road speed doesn't mean it's true.

The reason why wikipedia gives just a poor off road mobility is because not all off road terrain is equal.


If you look at this video this gives a much clearer picture of how tanks actually performed off-road in ww2. (It's not very fast)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmXEly5_u38


That Pershing had, very low mobility offroad, if compared to other tanks. It had only 3 forward / 1 reverse gear's and that is huge drawback to drive fast or even manoeuvre off road, and it was little to heavy for it's engine. Also, you needed very strong driver to drive this tank because the lever was very hard to "pull" like in most tanks that were mass produced by USSR and USA.
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22 Oct 2015, 20:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 18:00 PMKubelecer


3 Weapon slots but you get 4 thompsons? How does that work?

Also I'm pretty sure you mean reload decreased not increased in combined arms?


the slot will allow them to pick one additonal bazooka, or bar, or flamer etc after you get the thompson upgrade.

and yes decrease.
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VonIvan
22 Oct 2015, 20:13 PM
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"USF Community Picks the Name" (Rare)
Is that the actual name of the commander? :foreveralone:
Because if so:
Merika'
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Omega_Warrior
22 Oct 2015, 20:33 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 20:03 PMbC_


the slot will allow them to pick one additonal bazooka, or bar, or flamer etc after you get the thompson upgrade.

and yes decrease.

But does that also mean if you don't get the thompsons, you can choose to give them 3 bars or bazookas?
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22 Oct 2015, 21:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 20:33 PMOmega_Warrior

But does that also mean if you don't get the thompsons, you can choose to give them 3 bars or bazookas?



the 5th guy can take a weapon rack or dropped weapon instead of a carbine

so your choices are
5 carbines(base)

1x carbine 4x thompson
1 slot weapon and 4 thompsons

2+ slot weapons and no thompson

is what im comprehending here
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Horasu
22 Oct 2015, 21:06 PM
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4x thompson and 1x BAR for ultimate death squad
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Dullahan
22 Oct 2015, 21:13 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 18:01 PMKatitof


Bad? Not really.
Overpriced in relation to comet and panther?
Without a question, unless it have almost non existent scatter values and Tiger like AoE.


Every faction has their own economy. Ost spends a lot of fuel teching, OKW gets less income. In this case, nothing stopping from Americans for skipping the major and just pumping out Pershings.
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22 Oct 2015, 21:14 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 18:02 PMSpaceHamster
Does anyone know how much radius 30 is ingame? Seems kind of big but not too big.


Units have a vision range of 35 so slightly less than a unit can see.












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22 Oct 2015, 22:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 21:13 PMDullahan


Every faction has their own economy. Ost spends a lot of fuel teching, OKW gets less income. In this case, nothing stopping from Americans for skipping the major and just pumping out Pershings.

Except for the limitation of 1? :snfPeter:

And units are priced accordingly to their performance, nothing more. If it was like you say, axis ostwinds or panthers would be priced differently depending on army. They are not.

If the thing costs as much as IS-2 and Tiger while not having nearly as much survivability, it better be a grim reaper tank for that kind of cost.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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22 Oct 2015, 22:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 21:06 PMHorasu
4x thompson and 1x BAR for ultimate death squad


I think 3x BARs would be a better squad. What a shame they fixed the automatic-sherman bug before combined arms would have allowed us to get extended range and sight on tanks :)
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Omega_Warrior
22 Oct 2015, 23:32 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 21:03 PMCookiezNcreem



the 5th guy can take a weapon rack or dropped weapon instead of a carbine

so your choices are
5 carbines(base)

1x carbine 4x thompson
1 slot weapon and 4 thompsons

2+ slot weapons and no thompson

is what im comprehending here
But he specifically said 3 slots.

Your explanation only describes 2 slots with thompsons taking up one,.

If you so either the Thompsons override the slots, leaving only one place for an upgrade, or they somehow take up 2 slots leaving one left.

Either way, they have 3 slots and thus can hold 3 bars or zooks.
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22 Oct 2015, 23:37 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Oct 2015, 23:32 PMOmega_Warrior
But he specifically said 3 slots.

Your explanation only describes 2 slots with thompsons taking up one,.

If you so either the Thompsons override the slots, leaving only one place for an upgrade, or they somehow take up 2 slots leaving one left.

Either way, they have 3 slots and thus can hold 3 bars or zooks.



Hes saying the thompson upgrade represents 2 slots,but rangers have a 3rd so they can still equip 1 more weapon with the 4 thompsons they get. One guy does not get a thompson when you upgrade the squad,thats the guy you can give a weapon to..

If you dont equip thompsons at all,you can have 3 weapons total. If you have 2 weaposn already for whatever reason,you cant upgrade to thompsons anymore

Hes specifically saying that when you upgrade to thompsons you still have 1 more slot left. As in thompsons are worth 2 slots. thats literally what he said.
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