is it too late to revert the bad tech changes?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 02:39 AMFiresparks

sov: the t70, the m5 quad, and the su-76 were previously balanced with the expectation the axis will have armor soon. Now that they arrive early the ost is stuck with paks and schreck to deal with the light armor trio. At least the okw get their anti-tank weapon early.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 02:59 AMBad_Vader

Sov: If you haven't noticed that's the intention. Before when Soviets only went with 2 tech buildings the period where light vehicles (particularly the T-70) could shine was probably 1-3 minutes at most at which point axis armor would roll in and crush any aggressive light vehicles in the field. The m5 quad could get a slight dps nerf though, just my personal opinion.

Ost: The 222 isn't exactly designed to fight the sov T3 to begin with. At best it's a harassment unit, not something you use to fight the likes of the T-70. Ost does already have its counter to T3 if you haven't noticed *cough* pak *cough* you guys are just not using it or rather you'd rather not use 1. If you don't chances are you'll lose, so this is more of a failure to adapt than anything else.


USF: Haven't played them yet so no comment

OKW: They're fine at the moment although RIP sturmtiger I'll miss you in 4v4s

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 06:32 AMWhat Doth Life?!

Teller Mines one shot everything in soviet tier three. Add in Pak40 and 222 and tools are there for Ostheer. I would gladly see a small cost increase for Sov tier three IF the T70 finally gets 400 health.

OKW has it a little bit better just from being able to get a shrek at 90 munitions and the sneaky as **** Rakketenwherfer.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 04:08 AMFiresparks

the patch before last buff the su-76 to the point where they are useful even into late game, and the quad m5 serve the dual purpose of AA and mobile reinforcement point. They didn't need to arrive earlier.

The t70 was the only light armor in the game still carrying only 320 mp, and the main reason why it see so little use late game. Instead of trying to carve out a "light vehicle phase" it would have worked just as well making sure light vehicle remain useful into late game.

it's ridiculous to expect the ost to rely only on pak and schreck against light vehicle. The pak is good but not that good. The ost will lose horribly on map control trying to fight nimble light vehicle with just slow lumbering pak. Sov isn't weak on artillery either. The su-76 have a pretty good barrage and the 82mm is just good enough to be useful.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 01:17 AMFiresparks

while there were some good changes in the last patch, (mostly concerning the OKW), I think the overall tech changes to the USF, sov, and the ost have been proven to be a mistake.

Instead of spending the next year trying to salvage the tree changes, it would be better to revert the tech tree change while keeping the good ones in (the okw panzer4 for one)

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 09:24 AMBad_Vader

And why is it ridiculous to depend on the pak? The fact that Ost has never had to rely on the pak only reinforces my point, you have the tools to hard counter the m5/sU-76 BUT refuse to use them because of mundane reasons as them being slow, if fact it only highlights the need to use proper positioning something that is integral to the CoH experience. The Ost player is simply denying the fact that the pak is now an important element of their game, something they no longer have the luxury of skipping over.

There will always be times when the flow of the game shifts from one side to the other and in the light vehicle phase the flow has simply shifted to the allies. Until the next patch comes you either adapt or you lose.

Just because the tech changes made USF useless

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 04:08 AMFiresparks

Instead of trying to carve out a "light vehicle phase" it would have worked just as well making sure light vehicle remain useful into late game.