is2 and tiger ace
29 Apr 2015, 17:02 PM
#81
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Permanently BannedIf you have stayed alive long enough to get over 100 kills and are made the commander of a tiger tank you probably know your gunner well, have good situational awareness, and a tank that has the upper hand in terms of both armor and firepower vs most targets. Yeah you're gonna be an ace. Fuckin deal with it. I know you guys will fight to the end up, but tiger aces existed.
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29 Apr 2015, 17:19 PM
#82
Posts: 28
yeah. the german paks are very weak with the green cover removed
Maybe doesn't count but: for a few games now, I've used Jäger Armor + 3 pak penetration bulletins. Park a P4 with the scope upgrade a little bit ahead of your paks (I typically get two); the tank provides LoS and anti-infantry protection for the paks, and the AT guns melt Allies' tanks. Not sure how often they bounce on the IS2s, but if you get a side/rear shot, you're gravy.
I think the +pen bulletins stack.
29 Apr 2015, 17:26 PM
#83
Posts: 1217
Not reading all this.
You want a T-34 ace? Get a T-34 to vet 3.
The Tiger ace isn´t that much better than a vet 3 Tiger ingame. Some abilities, different cost and some better accuracy iirc.
For the realism discussion: "Best" (which is the most subjective term) German tank would be the StuG imo. Most produced, best availability, most kills, low profile, low cost, reasonable reliability.
You want a T-34 ace? Get a T-34 to vet 3.
The Tiger ace isn´t that much better than a vet 3 Tiger ingame. Some abilities, different cost and some better accuracy iirc.
For the realism discussion: "Best" (which is the most subjective term) German tank would be the StuG imo. Most produced, best availability, most kills, low profile, low cost, reasonable reliability.
29 Apr 2015, 17:28 PM
#84
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^I remember times when T34 ace was vet1 T34 
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
29 Apr 2015, 17:51 PM
#85
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Concept of Ace tank (concept, not exact CoH2 implementation) is fun for both sides: one get strong tank which win all 1v1 but should be used carefully, other get an ultimate enemy which need to be taken down with wolf pack of mediums or something like that.
But! There are many way how to implement it ugly.
They should make StuG Ace! *crosses fingers*
For a long time Iv thought that the PIV's in Elite Armored should come in both with Vet 5 but give the same negative (but a bit less) effects as the Tiger Ace does.
Game could use more ace/veteran units, and by that I mean both sides.
29 Apr 2015, 18:41 PM
#86
Posts: 1042
So Comrades...
If we're going to have OH with Tiger Aces, when do Soviets get a Noble Sniper?
Be careful what you wish for...
(quick wikipedia search reveals top German sniper had 350, top Soviet one is over 500...)
If we're going to have OH with Tiger Aces, when do Soviets get a Noble Sniper?
Be careful what you wish for...
(quick wikipedia search reveals top German sniper had 350, top Soviet one is over 500...)
29 Apr 2015, 19:35 PM
#87
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Not reading all this.
You want a T-34 ace? Get a T-34 to vet 3.
The Tiger ace isn´t that much better than a vet 3 Tiger ingame. Some abilities, different cost and some better accuracy iirc.
For the realism discussion: "Best" (which is the most subjective term) German tank would be the StuG imo. Most produced, best availability, most kills, low profile, low cost, reasonable reliability.
-Combination of MGs giving exact DPS as having a gunner
-Vision (?)
-1280HP (240 more HP)
-Smoke, Blitz and Triple tap (TWP)
-Vet3 stats
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
29 Apr 2015, 21:19 PM
#88
Posts: 692
When did they remove green cover from paks and why?
thats bs
thats bs
30 Apr 2015, 11:11 AM
#89
Posts: 82
ACE concept for Axis tank is just a lol idea, what's an ACE tank that is by fact better than all its counter part during 2 years, Sherman and T34.
Are you an ACE because you shot many tanks from 2400 meters to 700 meters with no fear to be destroyed yourself.
It is like being considered as an ACE because you kill many people with any modern semi-auto rifle with scope + full kevlar armor vs naked people with glock.
I can understand the concept of ACE for Air pilot since planes were pretty equals but not for tanks.
Wittman has been killed with 2 or 3 other tanks of his bataillon by a single firefly in an ambush...
A single firefly? Are you sure. I read he drove straight into a firefly/ AT ambush. And you do know alot of Whittmans kills came from a StuG III + Panzer III dont you? He wasn't driving a Tiger until late 43.
As for the Ace, you could make the same statement for the superior Soviet snipers in game.. Or Guards rifles for that matter..
Silly boy.
30 Apr 2015, 11:14 AM
#90
Posts: 978
The thing is that you only got a Tiger after proving yourself in Panzer IIIs and comparable units. Wittmann operated a 222 and StuG for example. At the beginning of the war those Tiger Aces beat superior T-34s. They then got a better vehicle themselves which eventually lead to those high kill numbers. Calling them unskilled is ridiculous, but kind of notorious for the Soviet fan-train on this forum. The same applies for just ignoring common statistics.
30 Apr 2015, 13:51 PM
#91
Posts: 670
Which make no sense in the context of the game because they cost exactly the same and have exactly the same rolls. Nor would it make any historical sense because the IS2 wasn't created to fight enemy tanks.
I'd really like to contribute but why do you insist to write roll instead of role
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30 Apr 2015, 13:52 PM
#92
Posts: 1571
One of the great ironies is that the pz38t was likely to have been the most successful german tank of the war. This had little to do with the strength of its armor and main gun but logistics/field presence and its overall suitability towards blitzkrieg. It participated in actions where huge numbers of allied tanks were captured, rather than fought against.
1 May 2015, 21:53 PM
#93
Posts: 403
Alota german armored steel beats everything, cherry picking on historical facts, good/bad ideas, forgotten dreams and no fun allowed going on in this thread.
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3 May 2015, 01:11 AM
#94
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Permanently BannedAlota german armored steel beats everything, cherry picking on historical facts, good/bad ideas, forgotten dreams and no fun allowed going on in this thread.
Nah its just people will fight to the death to the point that they'll end up saying shermans were superior when going head to head with tigers and panthers. They will fight tooth and nail than say that a german tank did better vs an allied tank. Its all myths and nazi propaganda supposedly.
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5 May 2015, 02:34 AM
#95
Posts: 500
Nah its just people will fight to the death to the point that they'll end up saying shermans were superior when going head to head with tigers and panthers. Will will fight tooth and nail than say that a german tank did better vs an allied tank. Its all myths and nazi propaganda supposedly.
Hello
These are all very badly informed posts. Modern age propaganda like tankarchives.blogspot poison peoples minds.
Back on topic, the IS 2 has no problem killing infantry. It really is overperforming for it's cost.
5 May 2015, 03:21 AM
#96
Posts: 1026
Tiger Ace, even if we get it to a properly and completely balanced state, is one of those things that just should have stayed on the drawing board. More ultra high end tanks, especially ones with a really strange resource gimmick attached, were not what the game needed. It should just have been a regular Tiger call in, IMO. If you want an ace, then spend the fuel to vet it up.
5 May 2015, 03:56 AM
#97
Posts: 300
Nah its just people will fight to the death to the point that they'll end up saying shermans were superior when going head to head with tigers and panthers. They will fight tooth and nail than say that a german tank did better vs an allied tank. Its all myths and nazi propaganda supposedly.
Nice strawman!Numbers and actual data says otherwise
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/07/28/please-dont-use-the-5-m4s-1-panther-myth/
Reason Why we say its all myths is because pretty much all of your "sources" are just unverified claims and personel accounts made by the Germans namely SS PanzerBrigades; who were so notorious for inflating their kill claims even oberkommand didnt take them seriously.
Hello
These are all very badly informed posts. Modern age propaganda like tankarchives.blogspot poison peoples minds.
Back on topic, the IS 2 has no problem killing infantry. It really is overperforming for it's cost.
And the SS were all honorable men of integrity right? If Tank Archives and other sources are so wrong apparently then please by all means point me to true legit sources?
"At the end of two weeks of fighting, the Panther regiments in the Ardennes were shattered, losing about 180 tanks or 43 percent of the starting force of about 415 Panthers. Of the remaining 235 Panthers, only 45 percent were operational, and the remaining 55 percent were dead-line with mechanical problems or battle damage. In the case of the US First Army, which bore the brunt of the Ardennes fighting, by the end of December in had lost about 320 Sherman tanks of which about 90 were M4A1/A3 (76mm), equivalent to about one-quarter of its average daily strength that month. Due to continual reinforcements, First Army had about 1,085 Shermans on hand at the end of December 1944 with about 980 operational and only 9 percent deadline with mechanical problems or battle damage."
^^^Taken from http://books.google.com.ph/books/about/Panther_Vs_Sherman.html?id=SWwRkr_6mzUC&redir_esc=y
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5 May 2015, 03:57 AM
#98
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For a long time Iv thought that the PIV's in Elite Armored should come in both with Vet 5 but give the same negative (but a bit less) effects as the Tiger Ace does.
Game could use more ace/veteran units, and by that I mean both sides.
There was a Soviet commander in testing that called in four vet 3 T34/85's at once.a It had Guards, Mark Vehicle, an ability to make all tanks go faster for a while, as well as call in uber crappy T34/76 meat shields.
There is a reason why Relic did not expand "ace" units beyond TA... They lacked a special characteristic "balance" within them...
5 May 2015, 05:31 AM
#99
Posts: 500
snip
Nobody has been speaking about the Panther. This is a thread about the Is 2 and the Tiger Ace.
But let's inspect some claims made:
(wall of text)
tl;dr it's badly made up and cherrypicked, refuted many times by many people.
Oh and also the Tiger ace is simply a bad concept.
5 May 2015, 05:35 AM
#100
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Permanently Banned1v1 sherman > tiger/panther. Best gun, armor, reliability, cost, and the fact that they weren't operated by super evile nazi's. That part alone is what makes them 10x better.
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