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MG42 over performing

6 Nov 2020, 19:00 PM
#1
avatar of OswaldMosley

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Just as the title says. The MG42 gives Ost players a really big edge, especially in the early game. It's too easy to place an HMG or bunker near a fuel point or VP and lock it down until the opposing player can tech up or has a certain doctrine available.
Not really sure what's supposed to be done about this, since this is a direct parrel with history. But for the sake of balance a slight reduction in the MG's firing arc or suppression might would make fighting Ost players a little less punishing during the early and mid game.
6 Nov 2020, 19:20 PM
#2
avatar of OrangePest

Posts: 339 | Subs: 1

Mg42 is by far the shittiest mg, espescially without vet, garbo aim time, inconsistent firing patterns. Hell it comes with an inbuilt delay when its post set up or when it targets infantry, about a second or two of aiming at something if it isn't dead center.
6 Nov 2020, 19:25 PM
#3
avatar of aerafield

Posts: 2311 | Subs: 2

Hell it comes with an inbuilt delay when its post set up or when it targets infantry, about a second or two of aiming at something if it isn't dead center.



All MGs must, uh, rotate on target before they can shoot. This is not a MG42-only thing.


Anyway I disagree with both of you :foreveralone:
6 Nov 2020, 19:56 PM
#4
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

Posts: 3163 | Subs: 1

MG42 is great, but quite clunky to use.
6 Nov 2020, 22:20 PM
#5
avatar of adamírcz

Posts: 836

Its easily the best MG, but that is a signature factor of Ost design
6 Nov 2020, 22:42 PM
#6
avatar of SkysTheLimit

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MG42 is great, but quite clunky to use.

Which is the most accurate way to portray HMGs. In coh3 I hope they all behave like that

I know realism is almost meaningless, but the fact that the .50 cal packs up instantly is still hilarious imo
6 Nov 2020, 22:46 PM
#7
avatar of Katitof

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Hell it comes with an inbuilt delay when its post set up or when it targets infantry, about a second or two of aiming at something if it isn't dead center.


Well, that is one way to call out missing traverse animation.
7 Nov 2020, 04:21 AM
#8
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 822

The MG42 has been hilariously broken for years lol.
7 Nov 2020, 13:14 PM
#9
avatar of Tetranet

Posts: 74

It's a key unit in the early game for the Wehrmacht much like the T-70 and ZiS spam in the mid-game for the Red Army.


I don't like this kind of make-or-break design, but in the name of asymmetric balance we have to accept its performance. Other popular RTS games fare dramatically worse in this matter.




When the Soviets manage to steal it, that is true terror, a 6-man MG42:help::help: It's a high risk selection to be honest.




7 Nov 2020, 13:57 PM
#10
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 766

Mg42 is by far the shittiest mg, espescially without vet, garbo aim time, inconsistent firing patterns. Hell it comes with an inbuilt delay when its post set up or when it targets infantry, about a second or two of aiming at something if it isn't dead center.

haha funny
7 Nov 2020, 16:17 PM
#11
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1828

Mg42 is by far the shittiest mg,


laughs in maxim and 4 second suppression time
7 Nov 2020, 16:19 PM
#12
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1828

It's a key unit in the early game for the Wehrmacht much like the T-70 and ZiS spam in the mid-game for the Red Army.


id rather have the crutch units like the T-70 nerfed though.... perhaps the MG42 can be nerfed a bit and something else can be buffed?
7 Nov 2020, 16:24 PM
#13
avatar of A table

Posts: 245

jump backJump back to quoted post7 Nov 2020, 16:19 PMgbem


id rather have the crutch units like the T-70 nerfed though.... perhaps the MG42 can be nerfed a bit and something else can be buffed?


No, grens won't get 5 men
7 Nov 2020, 21:51 PM
#14
avatar of Mittens
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Posts: 1259

The MG42 AOE suppression needs reduced and the AP ammo damage needs reduced.
Pack up time, # of men, and its ability to hold a sector are good, don't forget this MG is in t0 and really doesn't cost that much and its super cost efficient.

A 3 squad push from a 120* push means if he attacks the in the middle no matter the distance the AOE suppression will get you. If thats the intended effects than cost or timing should be adjusted to allow for better early options, as it stands the unit comes out both too early and for a low price.

Its the only MG in the game in my opinion that does its job, either buff the others or reduce mg42 AOE to make it so its can't hold an entire flank unsupported.
8 Nov 2020, 00:10 AM
#15
avatar of Widerstreit

Posts: 1304

For me it would be better to change it with HMG34, but that would bring new problems... maybe a weak pin-ability for Grenadiers with LMG-42 upgrade? Beside Ostheer can build bunkers, so HMG42 was allways replaceable.

Maybe move HMG42 into a commander? Or replace OKW's HMG34 with HMG42 because it arrived way later.



But that are only some thoughts... nerfing HMG42 will make it more or less a HMG34.
8 Nov 2020, 01:03 AM
#16
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1828

but that would bring new problems... maybe a weak pin-ability for Grenadiers with LMG-42 upgrade?


that sounds extremely dangerous...


mg34 suppression is a bit too much... id change to around vickers level imo... in turn we can give something else like pgren smoke or smth similar...
8 Nov 2020, 01:45 AM
#17
avatar of KoRneY

Posts: 380

With your balance suggestions there won't be any mg42s or 34s to shoot at anymore
8 Nov 2020, 04:22 AM
#18
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 822

It's just funny that there are two other MGs in the game that aren't nearly as good but cost significantly more and are harder to get.

The USF M2 .50 cal and the doctrinal Soviet DshK.
8 Nov 2020, 05:49 AM
#19
avatar of KoRneY

Posts: 380

How is the 50cal harder to get than an mg34?
8 Nov 2020, 08:01 AM
#20
avatar of Serrith

Posts: 675

jump backJump back to quoted post8 Nov 2020, 04:22 AMCODGUY
It's just funny that there are two other MGs in the game that aren't nearly as good but cost significantly more and are harder to get.

The USF M2 .50 cal and the doctrinal Soviet DshK.


You and I disagree on the strength of these mgs.
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