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actually no , CE have been buffed with patches, they have the same weapon as cons but 2 less man, would u immagine if the same was done with pio and the ass green mp40 instead of the water guns they have now ?
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actually no , CE have been buffed with patches, they have the same weapon as cons but 2 less man, would u immagine if the same was done with pio and the ass green mp40 instead of the water guns they have now ?
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That would be pretty OP. CE's have conscript weapons. They are 2/3rds of a conscript squad in size. So they do 2/3rds of conscript weapons while having 2/3rds HP of a conscript squad (a 240mp squad). Pios with Assault gren SMGs would perform at 4/5ths of the effectiveness of the assault grens (which are more expensive units than conscripts). At 200MP the pios would actually be better combat units than assault grens in terms of bang for your manpower-buck, in addition to having flamers, better vision, mines, able to repair etc.
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I have to point out that CE start with target size of 1 while Conscripts with TS of 1.09 so the EHP ration is not 2/3.
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Pioneer could simply have their MP-40 replaced by K98 once upgrade with flamer or sweepers.
As alternative ways of gaining veterancy would try gaining xp for completion of structures with cost like buildings, mines...
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other than the target size ce (1 vs 1.07) cost a measly 170mp while pio cost 200
That would be pretty OP. CE's have conscript weapons. They are 2/3rds of a conscript squad in size. So they do 2/3rds of conscript weapons while having 2/3rds HP of a conscript squad (a 240mp squad). Pios with Assault gren SMGs would perform at 4/5ths of the effectiveness of the assault grens (which are more expensive units than conscripts). At 200MP the pios would actually be better combat units than assault grens in terms of bang for your manpower-buck, in addition to having flamers, better vision, mines, able to repair etc.
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other than the target size ce (1 vs 1.07) cost a measly 170mp while pio cost 200
even comparing cons 240 vs vs assgren (250-260 can't member) the CE save more (70 vs 50-60)
my point was CE and pio are not the same, one got buffed and works the other is forgotten and need to relay on doc crutches which is unhealthy
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actually no , CE have been buffed with patches, they have the same weapon as cons but 2 less man, would u immagine if the same was done with pio and the ass green mp40 instead of the water guns they have now ?
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think they tried this in the past and it made them a little too powerful so they nerfed them back down again.
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I can't say I agree with the Kar change. You get the benifit of a early game smg unit that can scout and then are equally as effective as the lesser CE when you upgrade on top of also getting bunkers and med kits?
It makes sense damage profile wise but not when balanced up against their closest counterpart who already does less. It would make them better CE in every way instead of different. Not a fan
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They cost so they should perform better yet CE are great in early fights once upgraded with flamer and supported merge.
But the issue is not how they compare with CE. They issue is that is extremely difficult to gain veterancy with pioneers.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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And pios are excellent in spotting for and recrewing ATGs and HMGs.
Both are good in the context of their respective army and supporting it.
Veterancy isn't pio exclusive problem - have you ever tries to vet up CE in late game?
I've already suggested what can be done to address both in a balanced manner that puts emphasis on them supporting armies, not being armies by themselves.
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