Raketens are too good
24 Feb 2020, 19:12 PM
#1
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Permanently BannedIn 1v1, you're basically not allowed to use stock mediums against OKW. Its already difficult to use stock mediums vs OKW P4, however, the raketens have the RoF of the USF at gun and basically the penetration of a pak (only 10 less) and now have almost the same range with an extra crewman and retreat. There's little u can do to counter a raketen. I'd say it's at least as survivable as the Zis now. I think a slight pen nerf is in order
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24 Feb 2020, 19:15 PM
#2
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I don't like that it can still retreat but that would maybe be too drastic a nerf. Rate of fire OR penetration like you said is probably a good idea
24 Feb 2020, 19:22 PM
#3
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Permanently BannedI just think SOMETHING has to give.
The rak is still the only at gun that can overextend for a kill without as much punishment since there's a retreat button and the 55 range actually makes it easier for it to overextend.
The rak is still the only at gun that can overextend for a kill without as much punishment since there's a retreat button and the 55 range actually makes it easier for it to overextend.
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24 Feb 2020, 19:24 PM
#4
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Make it 4 man, leave retreat as it is.
Volk escorts could use a little small arm fire buff too.
Volk escorts could use a little small arm fire buff too.
24 Feb 2020, 19:32 PM
#5
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Never thought i would live to see the thread ''Raketens are too good''
24 Feb 2020, 19:38 PM
#6
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remove retreat make them ,3 men like v coh , remove vet fixed
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24 Feb 2020, 19:42 PM
#7
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Reload times
Raketenwerfer
Vet 0: 3.8-4.3
Vet 5: 1.93 - 2.18
M1 AT-gun
Vet 0: 2.1-2.4
Vet 3: 1.61 -1.84
Raketenwerfer
Vet 0: 3.8-4.3
Vet 5: 1.93 - 2.18
M1 AT-gun
Vet 0: 2.1-2.4
Vet 3: 1.61 -1.84
24 Feb 2020, 19:47 PM
#8
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Its already difficult to use stock mediums vs OKW P4
HUH??????
SU85????
DOUBLE ZIS3???
FREE T70 RECON????
T34/76 RAM????
24 Feb 2020, 20:03 PM
#9
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you should be allowed to suppress raketens again
24 Feb 2020, 20:09 PM
#10
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HUH??????
SU85????
DOUBLE ZIS3???
FREE T70 RECON????
T34/76 RAM????
He say "stock medium" meaning using cromwell, Sherman, t34/76 against okwt4.
24 Feb 2020, 20:10 PM
#11
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you should be allowed to suppress raketens again
+1
24 Feb 2020, 20:18 PM
#12
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Sander already explained that removing suppression from Raketenwerfer was not a nerf.
24 Feb 2020, 20:23 PM
#13
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Sander already explained that removing suppression from Raketenwerfer was not a nerf.
not a durability nerf but a combat nerf. The combat penalties from being suppressed are very high
24 Feb 2020, 20:23 PM
#14
Posts: 785
Raketen is mostly fine as is IMO. You could reduce it back to 4 men but then people would complain about it being wiped all the time again.
And yeah, if you allow it to be suppressed then it will mostly just take longer for MGs to kill without massively impacting it's combat ability.
And yeah, if you allow it to be suppressed then it will mostly just take longer for MGs to kill without massively impacting it's combat ability.
24 Feb 2020, 20:24 PM
#15
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Sander already explained that removing suppression from Raketenwerfer was not a nerf.
If my tank is backing up with engine damage I would like to stop the rak in its tracks, not hope that I can do enough damage to kill it fast enough. It depends on the situation
24 Feb 2020, 20:34 PM
#16
Posts: 960
The only way this unit will ever be 'fixed' is by making it more like a normal ATG. Right now, it simply has so many 'gimmicky' trade-offs that its going to be annoying to use (or play against) in one situation or another.
+Available in T0
+5 models
+Can cloak at vet 1
+Can retreat
-All 5 models 'blob' together for easy wipes, especially in cover
-5 less range than any other ATG
-Gun shield doesn't give cover (supposedly? might be bugged)
-Need to manually toggle cloak, cloak locks the unit in place
-Very inconsistent performance on bumpy ground (i.e. craters)
+Available in T0
+5 models
+Can cloak at vet 1
+Can retreat
-All 5 models 'blob' together for easy wipes, especially in cover
-5 less range than any other ATG
-Gun shield doesn't give cover (supposedly? might be bugged)
-Need to manually toggle cloak, cloak locks the unit in place
-Very inconsistent performance on bumpy ground (i.e. craters)
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24 Feb 2020, 23:06 PM
#17
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The only way this unit will ever be 'fixed' is by making it more like a normal ATG. Right now, it simply has so many 'gimmicky' trade-offs that its going to be annoying to use (or play against) in one situation or another.
Agreed. But:
+Available in T0
If changed, add pfaust to volks after sws is bought.
+5 models
Make it 4 as the rest of axis TW
+Can cloak at vet 1
Removing cloak after it being nerfed is simply killing the unit, one should consider buff its mobility if so.
+Can retreat
This made the raketen unique and worthy of stealing. Remove this and cloack and simply just remove the raketen aswell
-All 5 models 'blob' together for easy wipes, especially in cover
-5 less range than any other ATG
-Gun shield doesn't give cover (supposedly? might be bugged)
-Need to manually toggle cloak, cloak locks the unit in place
-Very inconsistent performance on bumpy ground (i.e. craters)
This are the defects of the model and buggy behaviour. Sadly they cant be fixed directly.
Maybe if raketen projectile performs a ballistic trajectory it could remove some of the ground collisions.
Lets be clear now, Im not against your points, im just adding my opinion to continue the discussion.
25 Feb 2020, 00:49 AM
#18
Posts: 1794
Yes it is too good and too cheap. Make it more expensive so okw cannot spam it.
Comes too early and negate LV plays.
Comes too early and negate LV plays.
25 Feb 2020, 02:46 AM
#19
Posts: 833
It should have the highest pen of all AT guns, because historically it could pen anything the allies had iirc. It's the only latewar AT gun after all.
Let's unite the CoH2 community and make sure racism is
25 Feb 2020, 05:05 AM
#20
Posts: 1158
you can smoke it with a sherman
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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