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5 men for OST

8 Feb 2020, 13:10 PM
#1
avatar of SunTzu

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Why can't OST have 5 men like all decent factions?
Why can't he have a light tank?
Why must OST be the idiot and bully faction?
8 Feb 2020, 13:21 PM
#2
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Why cant Brits have non doc late game arty like all decent factions?
8 Feb 2020, 13:26 PM
#3
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Why does ost have 20% dmg reduction on their mainlinr vet3?
Ah becouse they have 4men

Why does ost have no light tank? Becouse they have access to cost effective light vehicles that can have doctrinal smoke and arrive very fast. You want FHT and a light tank? Look what mobile def used to do to allied players.
8 Feb 2020, 13:46 PM
#4
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Different factions are different. Why are soviets stuck with T34/76 as their top tier nondoctrinal tank? Why is OKW starting roster so limited? Why do UKF have a tech tree that permanently locks out unit option?
8 Feb 2020, 13:49 PM
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8 Feb 2020, 13:55 PM
#6
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Everybody asking why, but they don't ask HOW?

:guyokay:
8 Feb 2020, 16:11 PM
#7
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Everybody asking why, but they don't ask HOW?

:guyokay:

How come OST have 4 men squads???
How come T34/76 sucks???
How come Commandos cost so much??
How come I have to spend so much munis on my riflemen??
How come my sapper and snipers are tier 2???
8 Feb 2020, 17:33 PM
#8
avatar of Stormjäger

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How do OST 4 men squads feel???
How are those T34/76 crews feeling???
How much do Commandos feelings matter??
How do I feel about the munis I spend on riflemen??
How do I feel about my sapper and snipers are tier 2???


;)
8 Feb 2020, 17:33 PM
#9
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Ostheer is by design the faction with fragile infantry.

I have no problem with that.

The problem is that their intended strenght - good tanks - isn't really in the game outside of a 2 minute Panzer IV power spike. So there is no real compensation.
8 Feb 2020, 19:10 PM
#10
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 13:10 PMSunTzu
Why can't OST have 5 men like all decent factions?

Because its balanced to function on 4 men. You have earliest mobile reinforcement platform and very cheap forward reinforcement point if you invest a tiny bit.
Why can't he have a light tank?

For the same reason why soviets can't have LMG or stock premium med.
Why must OST be the idiot and bully faction?

Because of Mainstein blessing, it lures bads who just scream "KRUPP STAHL" and cry when they find out the faction has run out of Übermenschium and actually requires skill to play just as any other faction.
8 Feb 2020, 19:56 PM
#11
avatar of Lago

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Ostheer could have 5 man squads, but all their squads would become 25% more expensive to build and have 25% higher veterancy requirements.
8 Feb 2020, 20:31 PM
#12
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 19:56 PMLago
Ostheer could have 5 man squads, but all their squads would become 25% more expensive to build and have 25% higher veterancy requirements.


Osttruppen into 5 men 390mp Panzergrenadiers would be broken. :romeoHairDay:
8 Feb 2020, 20:53 PM
#13
avatar of Lago

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Osttruppen into 5 men 390mp Panzergrenadiers would be broken. :romeoHairDay:


PGrens are 340, aren't they? That'd be 425 MP 5-man Pgrens.
8 Feb 2020, 21:21 PM
#14
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Feb 2020, 20:53 PMLago


PGrens are 340, aren't they? That'd be 425 MP 5-man Pgrens.


Well.. I forgot how I got to my number now, don't trust calculators. :foreveralone:

Still a good deal though.
8 Feb 2020, 21:53 PM
#15
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Well.. I forgot how I got to my number now, don't trust calculators. :foreveralone:

Still a good deal though.


What about 680 MP 8-man Panzergrenadiers?
9 Feb 2020, 12:30 PM
#16
avatar of SunTzu

Posts: 56

Why not do as the Soviets arrived at T3 unlock the ability to upgrade to 5 men.
Why is OST raped in 1vs1?
9 Feb 2020, 12:31 PM
#17
avatar of SunTzu

Posts: 56

Ostheer is by design the faction with fragile infantry.

I have no problem with that.

The problem is that their intended strenght - good tanks - isn't really in the game outside of a 2 minute Panzer IV power spike. So there is no real compensation.

Panzer IV lasts as long as a Chinese product.
9 Feb 2020, 12:49 PM
#18
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 12:30 PMSunTzu
Why am I raped in 1vs1?


Fixed that for you.
9 Feb 2020, 12:59 PM
#19
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The thing is that you could literally copy and paste the same faction 5 times, slap a different name on it, exchange asthetics only and people would still complain about all other factions being OP except the one they mainly play.
9 Feb 2020, 13:04 PM
#20
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 12:31 PMSunTzu

Panzer IV lasts as long as a Chinese product.


Please tell me where you get your Chinese products from because I want some of them.


Jokes aside. Yes there obviously are balancing issues. But no, OST is not always coming short as you make it out to be.
They have mediocre main line by design and exceptional support weapons to compensate. Their T2 is situational but cost effective if microed well. T3 has a mix of the best units in the game for their price.

If you want strong main line then play a faction that is designed around it. You also don't buy a compact car and wonder why it does not function well for offroad driving - because it was never meant to be that way.
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