Something that would be so rad would some kind of random element generator for the maps. For those of you who played Diablo, you know that every time you come back to a map, it will have been changed in some ways. That might be neat in this game since a lot of maps tend to be formulaic; i.e. : take this building and that building, and the game's half won. This results in a mad scramble at the beginning of the game where everyone is rushing for that building. Lienne Forest is pretty bad for that, but really all maps have that. Angermuende is also really bad for that. If somehow the maps could stay mostly the same, but just randomly move buildings around, that would be awesome.
Yeah, but you won... OH I see you want to dominate in the early game and late game and let the Axis players just sit in their base for an hour.
No. No one said anything about "dominating". I want the same experience as anyone else; a fun game that allows me to use my units in the context of longer strats. If you're an Axis player, how does it feel when you start a game and within 5 mins the entire opposing team quits ? Yes, you won, but do you really get that "fuck yeah ! I won !" feeling ?
As far as I'm concerned, this game isn't, or shouldn't be about "dominating". It's a strategy game, which implies it should involve the complexities of small unit tactics, cooperation among team-mates, micro, and judicious use of commander abilities ...all of which should pay off.
According to what we read on this forum, the ones playing against axis in team modes are martyrs that sacrifice themselves so that other can have good games.
Yeah, pretty much. The rare times you win as Allies is either because the opposing team really REALLY sucks, or because you pounded them in the early game, and it's over in 15 mins. Yay. Didn't even get to field any of my cool shit.
Been WRECKING axis in 4v4's lately. You need to play with high ranked players. I have many high ranked players on my friends list. So when ever i play a 4v4. i get invited or invite others. i Rarley play alone.
The sad part is how most of the axis player that play 4v4's think they are gud. But when they fight of group of player who have almost completly mastered the game. We get called, hackers, cheaters, etc...
The most amusing thing is how bad most axis 4v4 players are. Breaking their bubble is the best thing in the world.
Well, I'd love to play with some good players. I'm "Patches_O'Hoolahan" on Steam.
for such an "epiphany" its not really well thought out, presented and tbh im not sure it even can be qualified as an epiphany.
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Well, I'm not sure how much more "well thought out" it needs to be. Granted, the topic isn't revolutionary, but I was merely saying that playing Allies in team games is good practice for becoming an outstanding Axis player. As for presentation, again, sorry I don't have a PowerPoint presentation for you. And by definition, an epiphany is subjective. Anyway, yes, this was partly a rant, and partly me sharing an amusing thought that came to me. But hey, at least my post didn't feature the words "Pershing", "OP", or "spam", right ?
You can play it. I didnt say that you cant. Its just how the game is designed. 4v4 is a big spam and abuse fest. And even when it isnt, its easy to stall and get into the lategame quickly. Where Axis usually dominates. Thats how it is. And thats how it probably will always be. Get over it.
Yes, I know I can play it. I have been. However, the implication is that as a game mode, it's nearly impossible to win as Allies, and thus, unplayable for anyone who cares even remotely about having fun. And I have gotten over it. I started playing Axis.
Just wanted to share a thought with those of you who, like me, desperately want to play Allies but realize that it's a losing proposition.
Think of it this way...if you constantly wrack your brain to come up with better ways of playing, hone your micro, and practice, prctice, practice.....you probably still won't win. Let's face it; late Axis is crazy, and unless you win before 15 mins are up, you won't at all, or rarely.
BUT, if you take a deep breath, and do what pretty much everyone else is doing , and play Axis, you'll find that it is drastically easier ! All that practice, all that micro and small unit tactics will pay off when playing Axis. It's like trying to drive a race in a Pinto, and practicing in a Pinto, then getting a Ferrari.
Seriously, try it. I am a dedicated Allied player, both USF and Soviet, and just got so goddamn sick of losing all the time. I finally said fuck it, let's go Axis, and finally enjoy some games.
It really is so much easier. I even felt like I had to apologize to the opposing team, like, "sorry guys...I know Axis is crazy..". Something that still irritates me though, are those players that only play Axis and think they're good. As far as I'm concerned, Axis = EZ mode. But it does offer a nice change of pace from being stomped all the time as Allies.
PS. yes, I'm talking about large team games, 3v3, 4v4. Yes, I realize that 1v1 exists, no, I don't want to play that mode. Large team games are a part of this game, and they desperately need fixing.
Like many here, I love and hate playing 3v3 or 4v4. I love prolonged games, even though it is a fact that Axis will typically win if allowed to survive into the late game. I like being able to field most of my units, i like coordinating with good team mates, and seeing a good use of combined arms. The cons are basically what everyone has already said: past the 15 min mark, it's pretty much a certainty that Axis will win. The larger games WILL stick you with noob/ incompetent/AFK team mates MOST of the time. And yes, the spam factor. My last game featured the fabled sturmpio/ kubel opening, with no less than 7 kubels and 6 sturmpios attacking one part of the map. Even this wouldn't have presented a huge problem, if it weren't for my idiot team mate, who didn't seem to grasp the basics of the game; i.e.: attack with your units. I do play Ost on occasion, just to ensure that I am not biased, and yes, it is easier to win by far. Basically survive till mid game, and win. Soviets are the only real competition at that stage, as USF will have lost any advantage they might have enjoyed in the early game. So, in larger games, another pet peeve is that there is one whole faction (USF) that is essentially useless. Past the 15 min mark, they become a minor inconvenience to Axis. I really wish I could play USF in large games and have fun, but alas...this only works if your Sov team mate understands that he needs to back you up, and support your early game aggression. See my point re: retarded team mates.
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