Profile of Imagelessbean

Please calculate me why its cost effective, show me the numbers and compare the DPS to SU85, Jacksons etc. It's on par, its just has higher survivability because OKW can't press out tanks every time you lose them.

You might be experienced in 4vs4, but in 1vs1 & 2vs2 you can perfectly flank, smoke & catch JP4 out of position, since maps are not bottlenecks like in all the 3vs3+ fun modes. Double AT guns shut down every JP4 play and no, they are not instantly countered by a Panzerwerfer or Stuka because again its not 4vs4.

No doubt the DPS is similar. Th survivaility is much higher because of a stupid mechanic. I don't have Relic's data, as you know, but I can tell you from my experience the effectiveness of the unit is much higher than its cost. The effectiveness is the cost of the unit divided by the average damage dealt by the unit, converted to cost by multiplying the cost of the unit damage. DPS is one part, survivability is one part, but damage dealt over the average life span is the other.

Bash larger team games all you want, but high ranking teams and well coordinated strategy take the same level of skill (albeit different) as micro in 1v1 and 2v2. Not all, in fact few 3v3 and 4v4 maps have bottlenecks to funnel into. Those maps were largely removed because of player feedback.

Double AT guns do not shut down JPIV since it need only fire once and then cloak, at most it will take two penetrating shots, which allows it to easily escape. At vet 5 this unit will have already one shotted your Jackson.

AT guns are countered by mortars, you don't need stukas. I only used that to point out how easily in a single player could establish map dominance. Med to JPIV, Mech next, to fuel transfer, to Stuka. Done. At this point he will have field 1 or 2 tanks at most, and he will be hemoraging MP to fight the JPIV with AT guns and infantry getting rocked by the Stuka, and any tank being threatened by the AT. Mix in some off map elite infantry for OKW and you have some really nasty stuff. But any indirect fire will work, and it doesn't just have to be ones you can build, if you push him off and steal a mortar how are you supposed to push this tank off now?

The tank can cloak, it can get great vet, I just don't want it to insta cloak without the ability of me to punish it for working alone and without support. It should be a support unit not a spotter or a sniper.

ISG and Pack are both still extremely annoying to play against. In larger team games ISG is still leave and forget unit. Units should fire faster, but not have suppression so they can bleed units they hit, but prevent stopping whole attacks on their own by pinning units as they approach.

Queue up multiple attack move orders in a small area, ISG auto faces, done.

You don't need always to destroy tanks in order to counter them. All you handheld at and raketenwerfer won't do anything against 2 at guns. Keeping units at bay or shut their play down means to counter.

The other points you raised I think have largely been addressed by other posters.

So in this case you seem to assume AT guns, which will still need a spotter to find the tank (now talking about +800 MP) are chasing. What happens if he has a Schwer set up? Or if he calls in a squad out of a building? Or if he has Sturms in front of his tank? Or even worse, what if it is a 2v2+ and they have some form of arty? What do I do now? I cannot use AT guns as my main form of AT since they will be picked off constantly, but if I rely on tanks I lose. You cannot rely solely on AT guns because they are exceedingly vulnerable to everything not a tank at long range.

Also AT guns are not a deterrent to a tank that can fire and recloak so fast that at most 1 shot will hit it. Its not like when its cloaked it doesn't have great maneuverability.

I get that OKW is supposed to have fewer and better units, but better should not mean units that cannot be killed. Better means units that can be heavy hitters if micro'd well. Right now this tank requires minimal micro. It is a rare game when I build this unit and do not get it to vet 5 easily, that should not be happening.

ROF buff will make the panther your one stop shop for destroying every bit of armor in the game. Long range TD's, no problem blitz in and blow it away. Medium tank, not an issue blitz in and blow it away, and so on... Any injured tank will not be able to escape because the panther will need only blitz forward slightly and it will destroy the other tank before the other player can make a substanial effect on its armor and health. The low ROF is there because of the high armor and decent health currently, to make sure players without snares can still force the tank back with AT. Without those options if you don't have a snare hit it when it rolls forward no allied tank will be able to disengage from the Panther.

Making Panther better with buffs is dangerous, I would rather see its price be reduced slightly. Blitz at vet 1 is in line with the tank's theme of fast flanking TD.

First, you need 222's if you see this, one will be enough to get most of the planes, 2 will lock out all fuel planes.

Two, if he does not tech he has to wait until 10cps, which should be too long, you should win by then.

Three, if he goes con spam, spam MG's, you win hands down.

Four, if you think him doing this just build up a couple of Stugs. Those Shermans are good, but they have no chance vs. Stugs.

When he gets DSHK's get a mortar, or go commander and get a MHT. Or just bunker down, and force him to build T2. Or get a sniper and pick off those MG gunners. Or, since he won't have any tanks, get a FHT (I don't like this as much because of scripts and DSHK together being able to destroy it if caught out of position). By spending his munitions on fuel he will not have much for mines, and nades, and molotov's. If he does use those then he won't have much for planes.

As mentioned by Switzerland your title is misleading, at best it should read "Lend Lease: Does it need to be adjusted?".