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Thread: MG42 over performing 25 Nov 2020, 05:08 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2020, 14:23 PMLady Xenarra Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 24 Nov 2020, 12:37 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2020, 11:42 AMthedarkarmadillo . Then you have a grenade to wipe the mg and take it after you flank! And its not as if USF doesn't have easy access to tons of smoke without needing to get grenades. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 24 Nov 2020, 07:04 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Nov 2020, 04:19 AMCODGUY You still don't catch a break with that because you have to side tech for smoke. At least USF has plentiful smoke options, ostheer only has 1 non doctrinal and that smoke option is basically from a sidetech. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 23 Nov 2020, 22:39 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2020, 22:09 PMOswaldMosley Oversimplifications for the sake of being a passive aggressive shitbrick aside, it isn't that easy when there's always another MG42 around the corner beyond your units POV Anyone can flank and outmaneuver an MG. It's when the MG is being spammed that makes the game frustrating and less punishing for the MG42 spammer early game. Well the original post implied that the smoke is only going to come after the advancing unit has already been fired on by the MG. Thats pretty clearly a tactical blunder. I dont think pointing that out by making it clear that you are supposed to smoke FIRST is passive aggressive. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 21 Nov 2020, 14:46 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2020, 14:38 PMTemplariusz You guys are joking - MG42 is the lynchpin that enables the use of grenadiers; weakening it even further undermines Wehrmacht too much. Compared to maxims, which under most circumstances can simply replace line infantry, mg42 is a joke. I agree that MG42s are necessary for Wehrmacht to stay competitive. I disagree that maxims are anywhere close to a substitute for line infantry. They are barely a substitute for a machine gun. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 17 Nov 2020, 07:59 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2020, 11:07 AMgbem ... So the counter example I would use is the churchill crocodile vs the churchill 7. The churchill 7 is non doc, the churchill 7 is available earlier, but nobody in their right mind would say it's "stronger" then the churchill crocodile. Likewise, penal PTRS are available earlier then guards, penal ptrs are non doctrinal, but nobody would say they are stronger then guards. This doesn't mean the units aren't better then those doctrinal option at specific things, but I wouldnt call them "stronger" or "more effective" at the same roles. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing blows - USF Heavy Cavalry17 Nov 2020, 07:34 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2020, 01:20 AMProtos Angelus Why would you need 60 high pen range when you have a Panther(50 range)? And JP4 is more than enough to counter current Pershing -> 170/270 = 62% which is more than enough to scare it away. I agree basically with the thrust of your post. However, I want to point out that the SU76 has a 61.5% chance to penetrate the panther at long range and nobody considers that sufficient to be a proper deterrent even with the vet 2 damage bonus. I do understand there is a difference in scale, but my point is that 61.5% pen is just not generally considered that reliable. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 13 Nov 2020, 05:30 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 22:03 PMgbem .... Where the 50 and DSHK truly excel is in buildings. The fast setup and packup time means they can get out quick when they need to or change windows faster, and being in a building helps nullify the death loop issue. In addition, both their arcs increase to match the MG42 while garrisoned. Fast setup and packup also let's them be more flexible in terms of positioning and staving off flank attempts. Yes the deathloop sucks, yes they have smaller arcs and yes they are doctrinal or tech dependant. Timing doesn't change how effective they are against the same infantry squads, it just means they have less time to be effective. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 12 Nov 2020, 15:11 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2020, 07:14 AMgbem yeah but ROF * suppression gives the MG42 quite an advantage in terms of suppression and DPS... at least one that is greater than the 10mp difference to the mg34... any other so called "advantage" is a lie that people like orangepest like to perpetuate... The advantage is pretty minimal, about 8% better suppression from the MG42-less then a tenth of a second in suppression time at long range. But I do agree the MG42 is better then the MG34. I would however hesitate to call it the "best" MG bar none. I think solid arguments can also be made for the 50cal and the DSHK. No question though that it's superior to the vickers, 34 and maxim. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 over performing 11 Nov 2020, 13:09 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2020, 23:14 PMgbem lastly +0.12 suppression represents a 10% increase in suppression... plus theres the damage per shot of 3 vs 4 for the mg42... that is well worth a 4% price increase... Its actually the MG34 with the higher suppression per bullet. However, the MG42 compensates with a higher rate of fire. In: COH2 Balance

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