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Squeaky Door is absolutley right, that chart only shows that very high skill players who know all the best builds to get around Werhs tecking costs can get wins with them.
I wouldnt say Werh is too UP atm, but it does struggle 1v1 at anything but the highest levels.
Slight decreases to tecking costs IMO, would just bring them in line. But of course Relic has pretty big changes planned. |
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Interesting ideas, Ive often wanted to use the command tank more, but often feel if you already went T3, you might as well just get another P4 for better AT. But I probably should be looking to my paks for AT anyway.
Spotting scopes are soo good for using paks. Ive been using Ostwinds with scopes backed by paks for AT, then throw in a P4. Can be pretty nice, it OWNS all their inf hard, and can snipe jacksons, and T34/85s before they know whats going on. Best counter to this becomes ATG play, then you have to try use your inf and flanks from Ostwinds. Double Ostwind also has funny effect of owning P47s. |
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Scotts are pretty much a light vehicle, two were parked on top of each other, and totally failed to move. Surprise surprise they got killed. Should have been spaced out, and preferably attemted to move.
This thread is about the loiter, not the CAS strike. |
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Yeah I quite like penals, you can use just a couple combined with cons and just use the cons to merge reinforce when you retreat to base. Can be done quickly when you get the hang of it.
Satchel is bad ass in lots of situations. And penal DPS can wipe squads much more often. |
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IMO, if you want to try using Spec Ops for 1v1, the way to do it, is NOT teck T3.
Just go T1 and T2. You'l probably want more S pios and 1 or maybe even 2 Flak HTs to make up for no doctrinal inf or Obers.
You can get a Puma and/or JP4, which later you will supplement with the Command Panther.
Get a Stuka and use the doctrinal flares to make best use of it.
Main advantages of this doc (1v1) would be the focus fire ability of the panther, combined with its sight range. And good use of scouting for the stuka. |
A 95% axis only player should never complain about minsk.
I REALLY like Minsk as soviets. Gaining huge map control is really easy. Just spam and flank to death then bring in armour. Plus M3s can be brutal on it.
Ok, OKW have a much better time than Werh. |
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Stalingrad, ive actually had good sucess with.G43s and spam P4s. The Close range works well for P4s. And you can try dominate the map before they call in. However, if they do spam shocks its not good. Maybe a FHT into P4s would be only viable counter.
Bystaya Voda, canbe really fun. Onlyharras the fuel as axis, go hard on North for munis and VPs. Make a single fuel cache to make up for loss of fuel point. Its nice and open for paks.
Minsk always seems allied favoured, long distance to Base, loads of flanking. |
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Yup, its pretty simple. Hard counters easily and reliably Kill, they might be cost effective, or not. Does not matter.
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They already cry about p47s, which do much less damage spread over a much larger amount of time at double the cost of the loiter strafe. If you don't like p47, how can you like something that is better than p47 for less cost packaged in a doctrine that feeds ammo so you never run out?
Loiter stuka does not come with muni convert.
CAS stuka, which does come with muni convert, only makes one pass, and does not target, only hitting where you place it. Thats why it's dodgable. |
While they are effective against tank destroyers they are not hard counters to them because they are also soft counters for many other units and aren't dedicated to destroying tank destroyers.
I disagree there, just because a unit happens to be effective against a few targets, does not mean its not a hard counter to some of them.
Good example is the scout car, this unit is the hard counter to snipers, but it is also useful against most forms of infantry, and even light vehicles. That does not mean its not a hard counter to snipers.
Another is any medium tank, which will be a hard counter to light vehicles, does not mean its also not useful against other vehicles and infantry... |
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