Am i the only one that sees this unit overperforming too much? not only it has longer firing range than other common units like T34 but also has insta smoke ability and this "jammed turret" vet 1 ability which is win button, also it has super reload time, had game where with one Puma I killed Shermans with E.Z.
Any opinions? and pls dont tell me it's balanced cuz it costs moar than ostheer Puma
Ostheer is not disadvantaged by fuel cost and thus their puma is cheaper. and 10 fuel is not much. depending on the situation both puma's vet abilities can be brutal. Your complaining that a dedicated tank destroyer is destroying tanks. Puma's are good no doubt about it but they exist because the okw doesnt have teller mines paks or a medium generalist tank. not to mention they cannot snare units without doctrinal units.
The puma is indeed the beating heart of the okw anti tank units but thats not a good reason to nerf it. |
LMG42 grens are easier to deal with than OKW infantry. Primarily because their LMG requires them to stay still, and it only starts to fire when the unit has stopped moving for a second and a half or so. Grens also have a long range grenade that you can avoid by getting close to them. In practice this leads to situations where if grens are attacking, they lose a few seconds of DPS because they have to move into cover. These few seconds allow for an Oorah rush + molotov to force even more seconds where the LMG42 is not dealing damage. You are also not in danger of getting rifle naded when you do this.
Having say, 4 conscripts and 2 maxims is therefore quite good against Wehrmacht.
OKW infantry does not have these problems. They are harder to rush and have short range grenades. This leaves conscripts with very little to do because they don't have good long range DPS. So you are better of getting say 2 conscripts and 4 maxims instead of the other way around.
Thats hooting yourself in the foot if your opponent gets a luchs out. |
Relic really tried too hard to implement the whole "quality vs quantity" for soviets.
What we have now is the complete collapse of the soviet faction as a whole.
The support weapon becomes the main line infantry, and the main line infantry becomes the support weapon....
Back in coh 1, ALL sides, no exceptions, had decent - well scaling infantry.
USA - rifles with BARS, altho mediocre at late game without vet, if you managed to get some vet 2 vet 3 rifles they were terminators.
Wehrmacht - grenadiers and KCH
Brits- Infantry section
PE - Panzergrenadiers.
Now in coh 2, all sides have "decent" non doctrinal inf , except SOVIETS.
And even then, the best soviet infantry - gaurds with DP, are on par with LMG grens - the starting wehrmacht infantry..
Tbh, i don't see the problem with making conscripts and penals scale better, at the cost of soviet snipers basically being a copy of the wehrmacht sniper, that way soviet snipers have more killing power, but are also more fragile due to higher DPs. And maxims that function more like normal machine guns instead of mainline infantry.
The issue is that the penals are not working as well as they should but that goes for any infantry unit using a carbine. |
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isnt this the same issue with gren spam with lmg's ? suffice to say you need combined arms and spamming maxims or scripts is really not going to work against the okw as you need both. |
At vet2 JP gets 10% more armor and extra 160hp, its ROF vet bonuses also are only 10% worse then SU-85 one and JP4 after vet1 will always have first shot advantage(not only talking 1v1, but attacking any armor).
I would also argue the mobility part of SU-85. Its not very mobile, it is compared to elephant, but not compared to JP4.
Doesnt really matter. the su85 performs way better in the soviet army then the jp4 does in the okw. okw doesnt have access to the at nades or button up so supporting is much easier and a overall more effective combo then anything you can achieve with the jp4 |
tnx. Smoke is a good idea!
But keep an eye out when you do this however. good soviet players use smoke grenades good okw players use white phosphor grenades and if you dont notice(and you cannot see if he deployed it) it you are looking at a squad wipe. |
They had no choice, and they weren't the ones who started the war.
The Axis could have chosen to not go to war (or stop it) and cause misery for their own people and others, but no they chose war. That's the least price they have to pay.
Dont fucking underplay these actions. it had to be done but that doesnt mean it was the right to do. I was just a lesser evil vs the greater evil situation. |
Hmm. Well yes, germany was never known for very good economy management.
However, you can't really say that if those bombings never happened, germanys production would of had been quadrupled. It's hard to predict such things.
However, a quick search at wikipedia says that tank production fell by 35% due to allied bombings.
What you are saying is correct but it doesnt take in account of the german industrial assets already destroyed before Germany switched to wartime economics. According to Speer nearly 80% of all germany's industrial assets where wiped out by 1944. the majority of these assets never ever produced anything related to the war but they could have if they where not destroyed.
Your first statement is a bit weird because germany is the beating industrial and economic heart of Europe. it is now and back then. |
And also the other way around, 2 snipers will force retreat a Obers squad if they get their shot.
Who leaves his snipers alone anyways? lol
Just send in your volks first to draw fire and locate the snipers. the obersoldaten have more FOTM dps then the vanilla g43's ever had. simply get into range and they will melt a sniper squad.
kiting is quite difficult as the soviet sniper has a very hefty aim time. |
Well, alied bombings were not exactly the main reason for the low german production, in 1944, german production peaked and in 1944 germany started producing more tanks and aircraft than ever.
Even tho in 1944 germanys indrustial bases were getting bombed alot.
Thats is because germany held to a peacetime economy all the way to 1943. after that the hitler orderd speer to maximize german industrial output and every single asset was to be used for warfare. it came way to late however.
The numbers you see in 1944 and 45 could easily have been tripeld or quadrupled if those bombings didnt happen. |
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