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Thread: ISU-1522 May 2014, 13:59 PM Neither ISU nor Elefant should have a range decrease. I like the unique feeling you get with them and their range. Further less range would make both borderline useless as they can´t turn for shit. In case of the Elefant I think the damage should be nerfed so it doesn´t kill T-34/ Su-85 with two but three shots. In case of the ISU-152 a reload and/or scatter increase should do the trick. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15229 Apr 2014, 19:59 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2014, 19:55 PMPuppetmaster Would you like to simulate German mechanical failure as well? The quality of German materials and tanks were being reduced as the war went on. Seeing as the multiplayer is set in 1944 ish, should this be reflected as well? The moment you start balancing things based on real life, the moment balance goes out the door. I said reflecting, not simulating. And reflecting is what´s needed. The Panther for example will always be stronger than a single T-34 in this game. It´s not totally random, it´s based on historic facts. Why not increase the reload on the ISU when it´s overperforming? I even gave a reasonable value of 15-20 secs (real reload about 1 minute) which isn´t simulating shit, it´s just somewhat reflecting a characteristic of the ISU, which was a longer reload. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15229 Apr 2014, 19:42 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2014, 19:23 PMKatitof And I thought that basing armor effectiveness on their RL counterparts is what german players love and they were always supportive to base things on RL performance looks at panther threads what made you change your mind all of sudden? I would still be keen on seeing real life performances reflecting the units. The ISU-152 already deals big damage, like the real thing. Now it´s time for the reload to also reflect historic values. Even if the reload was doubled to 20 seconds, the clumsy ISU would fire 3x faster than the real thing. So the realism argument really doesn´t help you. But a little reflection would be cool. At least give it a 15-20 second reload to somewhat reflect how it was used. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15229 Apr 2014, 12:19 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2014, 11:37 AMOZtheWiZARD On the side note. Screw ISU-152 have you seen what Tiger does to infantry right now? 2 shoot 6 men Soviet squads almost every time. At 40 range, not 100 range. Zis, SU-85 (and optional T-34/85, IS-2) can all fire back. In some situations an oorahing conscript might even get off an AT grenade. Try getting those Grenadiers and their Panzerfaust close to the ISU-152. Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2014, 11:37 AMOZtheWiZARD To the guy who lost 2 Grens and 1 PG squad in single shoot - that's what you get for blobing. So, it´s okay for the ISU-152 to decide the game with one shot, but the Tiger isn´t allowed to kill bunched up infantry with two or three shots? At least the Tiger has to come into gun range and the Soviet player has a reaction time to retreat his units, which is about 10 seconds or so for two shots. Facing an ISU-152 you often notice it firing, when your unit is wiped. Also I didn´t see a Tiger one shotting an infantry squad btw. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15228 Apr 2014, 19:39 PM I don´t get what´s the problem here with the Elefant. The effectiveness of the Elefant can be minimized to almost zero by the Russian player going infantry heavy. The ISU-152 annihilates infantry while also being highly effective versus armor (two-three shots per StuG and medium tank). Try avoiding that. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panther is under-performing for its cost28 Apr 2014, 15:58 PM Now that the Panther is - more fragile (less health and less armor on vet), - blitz doesn´t work, - cost is increased, - and Russian tanks are generally more lethal/ durable a gun range increase would be cool. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15228 Apr 2014, 10:53 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2014, 10:38 AMOZtheWiZARD What about Brumbar then? It can one shoot squads. Itcan one shoot AT guns. It can fight tanks. It comes way earlier as well. Is Brumbar OP? What is the range on the Brummbär - 40? I didn´t see it this patch, but usually a SU-85 or T-34 can counter it. Now increase the range by 250% and you get the ISU-152. Do you want to tell me you don´t see why the ISU-152 is much more of a problem? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15227 Apr 2014, 22:43 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 22:05 PMOZtheWiZARD Why are you obsessed with 1 shoot wipes? This unit was 2 shooting squads from the very beginning. Tiger can 2-3 shoot Conscripts now as well you know? With recent patch EVERY tank is lethal to infantry so it is to expect for a super heavy unit to do just that because IT IS NOT INFANTRY you should fight ISU-152 with. There´s a distinct difference between being able to wipe squads from 40m and 100m range. The Tiger can´t wipe squads and avoid being shot at - for example by AT guns. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15227 Apr 2014, 17:35 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 17:20 PMBurts I wonder what if it just had its insane anti infantry , good anti tank, but only had the range a su-85. Then it would be too easy to flank it. It need it´s range. I don´t even mind it´s shots power. What I find disturbing though is that the unit with the biggest damage output in the game and ability to wipe whole units is allowed to fire every 10 seconds. Increase it´s reload time. After having fired that one devastating shot the ISU-152 should be out of combat for a while - reloading. This way a unit moving towards it (through it´s 100 range) doesn´t need to fear to be also wiped immediately. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-15226 Apr 2014, 19:38 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 19:13 PMAustralian Magic ISU can blow up whole squad but it doesnt take place often. I just finished game with ISU and it didnt do that even once. MG from 4 to 2, miss and finish 2 who left. 3 shots for one MG squad. Also it needed 3 shots to deal with ostteruppen squad so dont say that ISU blows up everything in single shot. Of course, sometimes happens things we saw on this video but it happens really rarely. 80% of the time it´s either a squad wipe or the German player has at least to retreat the squad. That´s too much for a unit that can also beat tanks easily. It´s rate of fire should be definitely increased. The real ISU could fire once a minute... with what we have now a shot every 15 seconds instead of 10 would be more appropriate. At the very least. And Sully´s comment was the smartest thing written in this topic so far. +1 In: COH2 Balance