Profile of Sander93

Well baseline is that OKW faces basically the same problem, as Volksgrenadiers are the only thing they can build early on which leaves little room for yet another infantry squad at 2CP. It's a bit more nuanced than the USF but in the end the core issues are similar. You build 3-4 Volks right off the bat, perhaps a Kubel, and the next thing around 2CP you're gonna want is ATG, HMG, light vehicle or save manpower for Obers. There's no room for a just-not-elite squad like JLI.

Moving JLI to 0CP with the deployment cooldown would really allow them to be integrated into the core army as a replacement to a Volks squad. If it turns out their current combat capabilities too good for 0CP, some of their performance at vet0 can be nerfed and moved to vet1-vet2 (like camo and the scoped Gewehr43 accuracy) so they will be at full capacity around the time of 2CP.


As an OKW player I would really appreciate it if there was actually a bit more variation in starting build orders because besides the occasional Kubel or second Sturmpioneer, it's just the same 3-4 Volksgrenadier strat every single match. The sight (50) that JLI give would also be extremely useful in OKW's early game to help avoid HMGs.

So Jeager Light Infantry haven't really been discussed beyond their initial changes, but the Pathfinders discussion brought up a good point about their timing.

JLI are a squad that supplements other squads rather than being able to fight on its own. The problem with using such a squad is that their timing (2CP) makes them awkward to use. By that time there's already a stack of mainline (Volks) infantry around with elite infantry (Obers) soon on the way. Manpower at that point is needed for the transition into midgame: for ATG, HMG, light vehicles and elite infantry.

I think this is the main reason they aren't used much in the live build.

I would therefor propose to put them at 0CP, and let them start on a cooldown of 1-2 minutes so they can be deployed as the third unit instead of a Volks squad. Having a long range unit early on would also help OKW as a softcounter to HMGs and snipers. It would supplement the faction really well I think and they might be used much more often this way.


If this were to be changed and proven succesful, it would be obvious to give Pathfinders the same treatment at a later stage.

everything written there for 1x1 only
They had 2 scopes for crits at long range but their other weapon is carbine for close range?

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Bars falling from them like christmas presents for veted grens

Just sprouting ideas here, but would a (cheap) M1 Garand upgrade work as an alternative to BARs so you don't risk dropping a BAR every time the first two models are killed? Would the Garands (possibly some elite variant) have enough DPS to make the sniper crits work decently?

A lot of team games are ruined by devolving into cancerous arty spam fests and both allies and axis are equally guilty of this.

I completely agree with your points. Furthermore I'd like to add the problem that several factions lack commanders with appropiate off-maps to deal with howitzers. OKW for example only has the flame doctrine's rocket artillery and doesn't have a single doctrine with both recon and off-map.

Artillery on team games is cancer. I would vote for a limit of 1 or much shorter range on howitzers.

A simply case of the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
ML-20 and LeFH have the same scatter values.
ML-20 does more damage and has slightly better AOE.

LeFH does fire 10 shells per barrage though as opposed to the ML-20's 8 shells (9 with vet1).