Yea, I would prefer regular Rifles with the 2 Thompsons and a snare since most engagments are med-long range. Might not get easy short range wipes but it would be easier to keep LV away. In rifle company, using sprint would allow for some close range shenanigans along with snare synergy like a few of those OST commanders.
Rifle commander used to be OP as hell, especially with my 3 Rifleman VET bulletins. Also wasn't the VET on the call in rifleman Random. I feel as though I remember getting Vet 2/3 Riflemans called in.
Or you could just put BARs and ave functionally the same thing except better in every way. I don't see why anyone would want thompsons and garands on the same squad. |
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Honestly I don't even like pathfinder spam as USF. I don't really see how it's better than going 1 path plus riflemen. Rifles are tougher, they have grenades and a snare, and they don't lose as soon as things close to like 20 meters.
Also I'm pretty sure they are actually the worst USF infantry against kubels. Yes, if you run a kubel into 4 squads it'll probably die pretty quick, but 4 rifles would do better here too. |
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Agreed with most of the post, just wanted to add that commandos are IMO literally the only reason to even consider using UKF in 1v1. Almost everything else in it is kind of just a worse version of something else, including all the units you brought up, and the faction is definitely way behind all the others.
I actually like the cromwell a lot, though. Its main gun is actually pretty decent in my experience at anti infantry, even if it's no HE sherman. |
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I never understood why they changed the Scott so that it overlaps with the pak howi. They nerfed pak howi AOE because going 2 of them was strong against blobby-campy players. They gave it the mega useless, more bleed 1 extra guy (who is clumped up with the rest of the weapon team so no real survivability there), and with already on a 1.25 RA modifier, just straight up nerfed it.
Instead of making the pak howi a strong barrage weapon (eg hitting a super clumped up yellow cover squad means death and not just 1 model down with 15% hp left). It's really comical. I always go for double pak in every 3v3 I play and in each and every one of them, paks reach vet2-3 with less than 10 kills on each. The nerf really hammered down the lethality of it. You pay 340 just to damage infantry.
Scott could have been a mini brummbar to deal with fussie/ober blobs but it's just a barraging tool.... like the pak howi.
Rifles go down as the game progresses because the fights are no longer close to medium range, so long range specialists dominate (obers, JLI, falls). Coupled with the annoyingly long snare animation. Just now lost 2 squads of rifles to 2 obers trying to snare two 1 pixel HP P4Js, vet2 obers took down 2 vet3 rifles on medium range faster than each rifle managed to fire one snare on each P4. Comical.
USF is fine as is in 1v1s. 2v2 you really need to be careful and rely on paths to negate some maps (bad design, wide arc MG can push you back easily with a bit of micro).
3v3 is horrible for USF on most maps.
Don't play 4v4 so not gonna comment. Doubt it's any better.
If they nerf the pathfinders because some low rank people find them OP, well... after the scott rework into a mobile pak howi and the constant stream of nerfs to indirects, they really will cement their position as "incompetent people of COH2"
The extra dude on the pack howie actually makes a big difference because that means it can still survive if all 3 guys on the gun get killed. When it was 5 man and that happened it was just a wipe lol. |
Recon commander is actually pretty decent pick in 1v1 against WM.
IR pathfinder's sight and it's barrage is very useful against mg or AT.
pak-howi + airborne is very cost effective skill that enhances vs inf. power signifantly.
Only thing I don't like about it is Greyhound, but still, it got very good buff(bug fix that has been lasted forever) lately.
Wait what bug on the greyhound got fixed? I wasn't even aware it was bugged. |
Grens and MG42 are broken.
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I'm so glad we're giving Brits like 10 random buffs but not actually addressing the real issues with the faction like the complete lack of nondoc indirect or the fact that the AVRE is/is going to be really OP. |
Especially the Fallschrimjager is incredibly annoying. Before Vet2, it is impossible to use the ambush bonus since whenever you release hold fire or right click on the enemy directly from the cover, unit will instantly rotate and break camo before striking. Also, camouflage constantly breaks momentarily for the unit while its models "chat" with each other.
Same issue happens with support paras with the zook upgrade too. Not that it matter because they're terrible, but they must have the same camo as falls I guess. |
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The ignoring hold fire command is an easy fix. You need to make sure the unit is fully reinforced before you give it a hold fire command or the models that come out after you turn on hold fire will disregard it (so reinforcing a 3 man storm trooper on hold fire => 4th man will ignore hold fire command because it was toggled before he reinforced). Not sure why that happens but it's repeatable (so is definitely the issue) and is a pretty easy fix as long as you remember to just put hold fire on after they're fully reinforced. |
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