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Must be reason why no one ever uses them and why they got multiple buffs now, because they were fine.

1) AT tommies where actually OP at some point in time and had to be nerfed:

"BOIS Anti-Tank Infantry Sections
The AT Infantry Section will no longer be able to purchase upgrade kits due to their existing versatility.
• Can no longer upgrade Medkits/Pyro supplies
• AT nade range from 20 to 15"

2) Pls do not twist what I post by I wrote "they are fine" (present) and you responded about how they "were (not) fine" at some undefined point in past.

3) As well aware a doctrinal unit will not be used if they commander is not chosen and thus the use of unit (not taking into account of use of commander) say little for value of the unit.

4) Finally if in you opinion if PTRS Penal will some how become nerfed by getting the AT grenade tank hunter IS have feel as claimed by Aerohank feel free to make present your argument.

Imo if Penal get the Boy rifles type weapons and AT grenades instead satchel they will probably be OP.

Now can Pls stop to prove my every post wrong and derail threads in process. I am pretty sure that user of this forum are getting tired from this behavior.

I don't agree with you that 60 ammo is a fair price for PTRS. I think it is a fair price for PTRS and satchel package. The PTRS a bad - on nearly every unit it's not worth the rifle it replaces even if it would be free. It's the one weapon which you only pick up with units that you don't expect to be doing much fighting anyway, like pioneers or Ostruppen.

In a game where you are meant to keep your infantry alive, it's not worth it to permanently convert your expensive squads into units that only counter vehicles that are present in one short phase of the game. If you want to know what Penals would be like with a nerfed satchel, you don't need the theory-craft, they are already in the game in the UKF roster: Boys AT tommies. Boys AT Tommies are never used and for good reason - their rifles are bad and their snare doesn't make up for it. That is what Penals PTRS upgrade will become without the performance of the satchel.

Comparing AT tommies and Penal is simply wrong. AT tommies use weapon similar to Guards and they are fine.

Yes.

The performance of the unit is in line with other similar units, being exactly in the middle between IS-2 and Pershing.

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That would end the tread if faction where equal in every other way. They are not and thus it does not.

Feel free to test the unit or play games with and provide useful feedback.

If I remember correctly this is not first time AI behavior become worse after patch. Maybe one could find what is causing it by looking at what happened the previous time.

I think it absolutely could use one. One dedicated to QOL across the board, one dedicated to bugfixes, one for rebalancing skill plane abilities, etc.

Veterancy really need to be look at as well.

XP values that are all over the place
Vet bonus not suited for units role
Vet 1 abilities not suited for units role
Vet bonuses that completely change the balance between units once vetted