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Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?27 May 2020, 09:21 AM Jump back to quoted post27 May 2020, 08:21 AMelchino7 No. I'll have to explain cause you just want a simplistic generalisation as saying "Gren bad on attack". It seems to me you are avoiding topics you don't like to answer to. Simple questions: 1-Do you think stock grenadiers are fine for anything other than 1v1? 2-Have you check how people are playing with OH through the 2v2 tournament? On 1v1: Let's start by realising the greatest strength for OH on 1v1 is the T2 timing. Against Soviets, Grenadiers stock can match any stock Soviet opening. But why go even if you can pull ahead with doctrinal infantry openings or gamble for a fast T2. Against UKF/USF you can't match 1on1 squads and rather than sitting and playing a long extended T1 opening like old days (3/4 Grens, snipers, MG42) you do the same as with Soviets going for doctrinal opening and transitioning to T2. Osstruppen are not good at attacking, but they will force you to take some time to dislodge them and either you spread your forces or you will be losing map control. In spreading you can use PG/222/FHT to attack lone squads. Grenadiers can push/attack fine, but not doing so in a way that they won't lose map control or spending resources which are better spent at that point in the game on other things (medic, teller, FHT, etc.) 1) Grenadiers are fine at defending, they are not fine at attacking. That is not simplistic generalization it a result of the fact that they 4 entities, low DPS on them move, high reinforcement cost.... 2) I have not seen all the 2vs2 games (finals: ashablois goes sniper/gren/gren/gren they lose the game refero goes gren/sniper/gren/gren game won ashablois goes gren/gren/gren/mortar game won) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?27 May 2020, 06:50 AM Jump back to quoted post26 May 2020, 22:05 PMelchino7 Not sure how you interpret that. T2 push is a thing, same when they are able to get a fast Ostwind or once the PIV arrives. IF you don't like doctrinal commander, you go with the Pio transition into T2. Grenadier spam with no follow up is bad in attacking because you are trying to assault and match 1on1 against units which are more expensive and better at that role. The moment you mix up MGs or sniper or you are able to transition into G43/Assault Leader it completely changes the dynamic. It seems you agree with me that Stock grenadier are bad at attacking and that is part of the reason why AsG and Ostru are used. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?26 May 2020, 21:29 PM Jump back to quoted post26 May 2020, 21:17 PMelchino7 You are basically saying the same i said before but deflecting on the point that Grenadiers are effective on (2v2) tournament setup. Just because the most optimal way to play OH on 1v1 is using doctrinal infantry doesn't mean that Grenadiers as a unit is bad. On top of that you have to take into account top players playstyle. Historically some people prefer brute force style of playing (say Von Ansten playing Gren spam with 5 man squads) or "traditional" OH play with MG/Sniper play (Luvnest). I did not post that grenadiers are bad, actually I posted something completely different, this is what I wrote: "Playing with stock Ostheer units one lucks the pushing power" Ostheer are good at defending and the smaller the area they have to defend the easier it get to defend it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscrits AT Package26 May 2020, 21:25 PM Jump back to quoted post26 May 2020, 20:39 PMKatitof So you agree that PTRS should have burst on the level of other AT infantry, so there is no need for them to shoot a long time to do any damage. Finally. I have never posted anything like that stop putting words in my mouth. If that is your opinion is that AT rifles should do the same burst damage AT rockets feel free to start a thread but I doubt you feel many agreeing with you. In: Lobby
Thread: Conscrits AT Package26 May 2020, 20:37 PM AI infatry should counter AT infatry and combined arms should counter blobbing. In: Lobby
Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?26 May 2020, 20:33 PM Jump back to quoted post26 May 2020, 19:58 PMelchino7 Map control, map control, map control. Fast transition into T2 PG and light vehicles. All that is the most relevant for 1v1. But add a single more player and things change a lot. Once OH doesn't have to spread out thin, they can do fine with just Grens and MG42. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lY9UfGKYM https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD1QsLnpWUVHZXPcg4GDfGLOc7-NDjnKk Haven't watch all games but for what i remember it seems that there are 2 main routes. Grenadier spam into 5 man upgrade or LMG42 Grens with Mg/sniper play when using Jaeger armor. Or one can argue the exact opposite that AsG and Ostrup can no longer secure map control as effectively because there facing twice the enemy opponents. In the same time Ostheer have to defend a smaller area of the map so they can do that more effectively. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?26 May 2020, 20:30 PM Jump back to quoted post26 May 2020, 20:03 PMKatitof I don't think you've seen a lot/any tournament game, speaking of recent qualifications over last 2 weekends. Once more, try focus on the thread and not into what I do or do not do. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?26 May 2020, 18:00 PM Jump back to quoted post26 May 2020, 17:24 PMDoomlord52 ... By going AGrens, OST ends up fighting against players who except you to play statically, and focus their build around dislodging LMG Grens and MG42s, but instead run into a highly mobile force, which they probably aren't equipped to deal with (or they don't have experience dealing with it). ... If that was the case the would relay at grenadier in tournaments yet as far as I know AsG and Ostru are very common in tournament also. Playing with stock Ostheer units one lucks the pushing power until T4 and even then he might be straggling. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Assault Grenadier spam - every, single, game. What gives?26 May 2020, 16:30 PM The problem has to do with how bad are grenadier at attacking, so people prefer going to AsG or Ostruppen that at least allow map control. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscrits AT Package26 May 2020, 15:53 PM Received accuracy does not help vs explosive weapons. In: Lobby