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Thread: The time factor27 Dec 2020, 11:13 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 10:25 AMHannibal Compare to when? Release+1-2 years? Maybe. But you yourself said that these versions are so old you don't want to discuss them. There were true medium rush metas 2-3 years ago. Also as Aerohank said, LVs have become mandatory or at least meta 2 years ago so there seems to be incentive not to rush mediums/final tier. Stalling for call in has been a viable strategy until it was completely removed around a year ago. As already explained that does not mean that tone will go for their final tier without building any vehicle at all. One will simply the way that allow him to get the there the fastest. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 10:25 AMHannibal Multiple people have provided their opinions about your claim as well as the alternatives, yet you brush those off as "not the point of this thread". They have not provided their opinion on weather tech should be a simple time limitation and "rushing for final tier" should be encouraged or not. Only Aerohank and mrgame2 have provided their opinion. Even you have not provided your opinion on this question. Do you agree with Aerohank who thinks making all faction having a similar tech system in game would fine: "I wouldn't mind if in CoH3 each faction had an Ostheer-like tech design. With Ostheer you have to make strategic choices on how you spend your resources, but you have the freedom to assign these resources wherever you see fit. "? Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 10:25 AMHannibal You also made a lot of claims and do not back them up. How does making mostly backteching more available decrease unit/build diversity? It does not. What it does it making rushing for final tier more viable since one can gain the bonus of the final tier like: MR, all out war, Anvil/Hammer bonuses, Major bonuses with sacrificing less. It becomes more of "braindead" decision instead of calculated the pro and cons of the options. What reduced the unit diversity is overlap of unit from higher tier. One will simply not build a SU-76 if the SU-85 is available and it clearly a better choice. What reduces build order diversity is if there is gap between tech choices. If the a single tech is so impactful that it is must one will simply choose the build order that allow him to go for that tech faster. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 10:25 AMHannibal There are some points to be made for this but a lot against, and you keep ignoring the ones against. What are the alternatives? You don't discuss any of them although others and I have pointed towards them. And there is absolutely no use to saying a direction were "good" or "bad" if you neglect the alternatives. There many alternatives: Keep MR in T3 now that it buffed so the player has choice when and if to unlock it. Keep AT grenades and Molotvs separate so a player can choose when or if he want to unlock them Make certain unit call in (not mainline tanks) so player have the option to use them instead of having to use their final tier. Make end tier unit more specialized that they do not make lower tier unit complete obsolete. In the end of the day make a decision and stick with it, instead of adding bandaid on bandaid: Either make all factions with completely linear tech like Ostheer and designed them accordingly or Accept that some faction will have holes in their roaster and make sure they are viable even with those holes... In: Lobby
Thread: The time factor27 Dec 2020, 10:43 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 08:22 AMAerohank This is factually incorrect. In the current meta LVs are very popular. You can't rush for a final tier and spend fuel on LVs at the same time. That's not how rushing works. No it not factually incorrect, many patch changes have increased the benefits of getting final tier. That does not mean that one can survive getting to final tier without producing any vehicles at all. There is little point in arguing on this, the question is not weather is happening or not but weather it should be happening or not. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 08:22 AMAerohank The idea was probably to give the player the option between going T70 or going for earlier upgraded infantry. You still have not explained why giving players and option of rushing high tech is a bad thing. And imo it was a good idea, the player could make a decision on how he wants to player the game. Imo changes that turn tech choices into "brain dead" decision are in the wrong direction. I see not benefit from bundling molotovs and AT grenades for instance or having the option to unlock MR at T3 and pay resources for it when it comes for free at T4. Most players have forgot that it was even an option. If one wants to make all faction tech linear like ostheer, one should simply make BP upgrades for all faction be done with it. I personally prefer when faction are designed differently, play differently and tech differently. I also prefer it when the gap between meta strategies and off meta strategies in narrow and going off meta does not mean auto defeat. I also prefer when the player can choose when to tech or what to tech in each stage of the game. Imo it add an extra level to game instead of simply having to micro units. Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 08:22 AMAerohank Other tech choices are viable. Nobody is skipping over LVs in 1v1. The exception perhaps being 4v4s, which I honestly think is fine since it simulates bigger battles which would have more heavier equipment involved. And they are becoming less viable with each patch, that does not mean some will skip light vehicle, it simply means that one is encouraged to get to his final tier ASP. The majority of people will already built their final, I see not reason whyd there be further encouragement to getting faster to T4. I would rather give them option choosing other options instead. Did making the majority of call in, require tech improved the game? Imo it did not, it simply killed a number of unit and strategies. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback27 Dec 2020, 08:03 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 05:36 AMTickTack At the top end of each of their scales, volks at vet5 are stronger than cons at vet3. This much is clear. I'm wondering what makes you think that cons are stronger than volks. Have you tested vet 5 VG vs vet3 7 men conscripts in cover to cover fight? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The time factor27 Dec 2020, 07:59 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2020, 01:44 AMHannibal Vipper I made two lenghty posts to find out what you are talking about and I still don't know what your point is. This thread made it to 50+ posts now and keeps going in circles. You keep repeating 'rushing final tier' and present it as bad but don't give reasoning besides e.g. 'stale build order' which in turn is just a claim without back up. Back up your claims, otherwise this thread is pretty nonesense. Multiple people had to guess what the main underlying point of yours is and agreed that it likely is either tech timing and/or the need to tech up at all, then they pointed out the consequences of alternatives (like call ins or viable strong LV strats etc, which we already had in the game). You in turn keep repeating that these arguments were not the main point of the discussion and that it were about last tier rushes. You completely ignore the core of these arguments. What is this? There is little point to argue if the "rush to final tier" is happening or not, it is happening. Take the mobilize reserves upgrade in ver 3 for instance it was buffed and move to T3 as a sidetech. Then the mod team decided it should stay buffed and come for free at T4 not because it would not work in T3 but because they wanted to people to rush T4. Even someone does not believe that "rush to final tier" is happening I have little reason to argue with him, because this thread is about his opinion weather such path is good or not. This thread is about people giving their opinion if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Aerohank has clearly said that he likes changes that make tech linear and not a choice for players and mrgame2 has already posted that he does not like these direction. This is thread where people can say if the like it or not and say what in their opinion the benefit of the direction they prefer are. If people actually think that tech should only be there as time constrain I would suggest that instead of buffing lower tier units to make all faction tech linear and be done with. If people prefer that tech choice are meaningful I would suggest to stop the "final tier rush" mentality and make other tech option viable strategy. In: Lobby
Thread: The time factor26 Dec 2020, 23:46 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 22:56 PMelchino7 I guess you are too dense to comprehend a simple concept. I'm leaving this conversation. bye bye and Happy holidays. In: Lobby
Thread: The time factor26 Dec 2020, 22:52 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 21:44 PMAerohank .... I fully understood your opinion and respect it. I simply would like to see what other people think. Tying premium medium to t4 was an improvement (although there where other option or implementations) but having all call in tied to tech is unnecessary (and killed allot of doctrinal vehicles) and the current implementation if far from perfect. I have my own personal vision of how thing could work in Coh2 but this is not about what I would like to see. This about a direction that has been taken is it being slowly implemented and imo it should be thought and debated more before one continues down this path. In: Lobby
Thread: The time factor26 Dec 2020, 22:43 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 21:25 PMelchino7 You are only giving me a "no it's not" answer. I've already given you a reason as to why it happens and we can take a look back at how the game has progressed and why. Tech becomes cheaper and accesible because the tools those limited tiers provide are no longer good on their own. The question is simple: can you win with low tier units and light vehicles without the need of teching at all? The answer is not because we purposely nerf those options. We are not talking about wining in low tier, we are talking about making "rushing last tier" the best option. This sentence says it all: "While the upgrade could have stood on its own, it did not give an incentive for players to rush towards their final tier.." The Mobile reserves can be viable as T3 upgrade but we choose to move back to T4 because we want players to rush the final Tier. This is choice not a necessity. In: Lobby
Thread: The time factor26 Dec 2020, 20:41 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 20:32 PMelchino7 Explain further cause i don't get your point. I'm saying that before, you were not forced to tech because you could either win with low tier units, light vehicles and/or then transition to call in vehicles. Teching becomes mandatory once you nerf those winning conditions. There are many tech changes: Tech become progressively cheaper (and comes even cheaper in the patch) Back teching become more cheaper/easier Call in unit are practically tech units now Final tier now provides bonuses for most factions. All that have create a "rush the final tier" syndrome. Question is that a good design? Imo the answer is no Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 20:32 PMelchino7 Well, it's the only path to take if you want units to not be overpowered (even though they have weaknesses). No it not there are plenty of option to to avoid the "rush the final tier" syndrome. The only question here is if "rush the final tier" syndrome is superior design. If it is make tech "linear" for all faction and be done with. (it would make think allot easier to balance) If it not lets stop going down this path or even back truck in some point so that there are other option instead of having to "rush final tier" in every single game. In: Lobby
Thread: The time factor26 Dec 2020, 19:25 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 18:14 PMelchino7 You are forced to tech because the alternative is having stronger low tier units dominating making everything else irrelevant. The game gave you "illusion" of choice. As Aerohank said before, it's a problem with how the economy system works in COH2. You are incentivized to get units which require fuel to get, because those are the only units which are efficient mp wise. The game is not about who get's more fuel, is about who get's to make the most cost efficient mp trades as manpower is a constant resource which can't be improved. Throughout the lifespan of COH2, mp only units, early light vehicls and munition based upgrades/abilities have been nerfed progressively therefore making teching a must. The final nail in the coffin has been call in vehicles requiring tech (which on the other hand made obsolete tech units otherwise). If you want a prolonged early game phase then we should return to: -Stronger snipers, which forces more infantry squads (in order to overwhlem) and light vehicles to be used. -Rollback nerfs to mortars, which makes artillery units not necessary as much. -Rollback nerfs to all light vehicles and light tanks, which makes them mandatory to be tech, build and counter. -Nerf/removal of snares. You'll need more infantry squads early on to deal with vehicles. -Rollback nerfs to MGs. -Rollback nerfs to mines. Not really, one was not forced to rush to last tier (and back tech). Game pacing ("prolonged early") is not the "rush final tier" syndrome. Point here is that there is change that has being going on with patch and it continues with this patch. And the question is is this good direction or not? If it a good change lets make tech choices irrelevant for all faction and be done with (make all tech linear). If it not a good change lets stop moving at that direction. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion26 Dec 2020, 15:41 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 14:58 PMPip The callin flares are sort of irrelevant though, they're practically useless in 90% of cases. Other than that, yeah, i agree. Call in flares are difficult to use but far from useless, if one simply combined them with an off-map one can bomb any part of the map.They should simply be removed. But those are not the only scouting options for UKF "assault" and "mortar cover" also provide unncounterable vision. Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 14:58 PMPip Recon planes in general have sort of a duality, they rely entirely on luck to do their job, and so those that come from one's own base sector are often rather useless, but those that come from opposing base sectors are FAR too effective. Major/ UKF assault Officer and UHU in patch all have planes that can be spawned from enemy base to spot and destroy enemy howitzers (or other important targets) with off maps. The claim that is privilege of OKW flares is simply false. In: COH2 Balance