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this thread is not about my skill or about any strategies involving spamming of engineer type of units.

This thread is about having 2 distinguished roles for engineer type units:
battle oriented with limited utility
utility oriented with less fighting power

I would be happy to debate this proposal but the other issued razed so far seem to me out of topic...

I don't see how this is a distinction that needs to be made.

Sov and Ost engineers already have extremely limited fighting power and already can't upgrade both flamethrower and hazard removal package. If you make flamethrower nerf their other building utilities then you're forcing these factions to waste MP on multiple Engineer units just for the sake of artificial specialization.

REs had their cost efficiency heavily nerfed last past with their 5th man vet changed and their reinforced changed to (lol) 25 (barely cheaper than Rifles). This makes RE spam highly unfavorable.

SPs - Probably the unit that best reflects your argument but they are also much more expensive than other engineer units and that is reflected with their performance. The fact that they are so expensive further emphasizes the reason why you can't force a player to build several just to have a "combat SP" and "repairing SPs".

Sappers - Now require significant munitions + Anvil investment to be truly combat effective.


Even if you take into account their Vet bonuses they will never ever replace mainline infantry (nor do most players ever build more than 3 barring certain circumstances). Again, if you nerf Engineers you are just limiting the tactical options that they provide as a support unit.

Sounds like someone needs to play as OKW more and learn just how easy it is to lose your truck if you get outplayed.

OKW is currently OP because Relic goofed on the Popcap "fix" and didn't properly price OKW vehicles after increasing their resources to 100%, not because of their trucks. (Though many would argue that the Forward Retreat point is an unfair advantage in super large 4v4 maps).

USF strafe is complete pudding for its cost. First game I played with new commander there was a line of 3 ISGs that I hit dead on and didn't get one single wipe. Meanwhile Frag bomb run costs about the same and is way more effective.

The disparity between cost and effectiveness of some abilities is just staggering. Honestly this is close to 50-75 Muni for its current performance considering that it's also a "skill shot"

+1 OP

Its kind of silly that OKW counters several doctrine's hallmark abilities like Airborne's P47 strafe just as a result of teching normally. Arguing that OKW should keep it because they have always had it is a non-arguement: how much other stuff has Relic changed or removed? It's like arguing that Rifle flamers were okay because Rifle Company always had them. The game changes (flamethrower tweaks) and other things need altered as a result (moving them to REs).

If anything just remove the AA ability as a default and then add it in as a side-upgrade. That way its a conscious decision on the OKW player's part to counter skill planes and isn't "free".

Just reposting some relevant stuff brad posted in the shoutbox

"were putting all infantry to 1 pop then adding the difference into the squad pop so the pop values will go to what they were prepatch"

"looking at the metrics most of the issues we are seeing are in the form of heavy vehicles in the late game not the early game."

Interesting... although you have to wonder what conclusion he draws from late game heavies. You would assume it would be pricing related as unit performance wasn't an issue prepatch.

Hope this means pop-up will be notified soon