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Hello,
I didn´t read all the pages, but if Maxim or MG spam is that annoying why not turn down the capping rate of all MGs. This slows down the progress of MG only users and gives you more time to set up the appropriate counter before losing the whole map. Just a thought. |
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The Guard nerf was uncalled for. Even though the button-ability was frustrating on the receiving end, it didn´t need to be nerfed.
The only good thing I can think of that this Guard change did, was slightly weakening the Sniper-Guard-synergy. But then again, this was more an issue with those annoying sniper-squads, rather than Guards. |
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So the new vet 2 Panther is actually less armored?
290 + 30% = 290 + 87 = 377
320 + 10% = 320 + 32 = 352
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I am not sure if its mg has been improved.
As others have also pointed out its teck cost is the main problem for Ost. If this problem is solved it should have a lower armor value, lower than 290 in fact. Otherwise we will end up having something similar to the old SU85 where it was fast, long range, high penetration, and high armor. Everyone complained about it back then, but you don't see people complaining about thew panther yet because its teching cost makes it less common than the SU85 was. The main issue with the SU-85 was that it could spot for itself. The Panther can´t use its range to that extend. It should be this hard to penetrate frontally or it would remain a glorified Panzer IV. The same way you don´t attack a SU-85 with a Panzer IV frontally, you shouldn´t attack a Panther frontally and expect to win. |
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Btw. does the accuracy modifier that got changed also affect the MGs or just the main gun? I noticed it killing infantry quite good now, but I´m not sure whether that´s a placebo-effect on me not knowing whether it also affects those MGs. |
However, this is where the buff goes completely wrong. Increasing Panther armor from 290 to 320 makes absolutely no sense. This is a fast tank that is supposed to flank heavy tanks and penetrate their armor. Why is it given the front armor value of a heavy tank?
Historically the Panther had more effective front armor than a Tiger. I actually love the change. It´s nice to see 85mm bounce more often. Also this is perfect to reward good gameplay with the Panther, which is keeping it at range and preventing a flank. It also punishes Soviet players who think they can just rush into it.
The Panther should no way be a nascar which you can drive in, but on the other side it should be exceptionally hard to take down in a frontal fight. If you can´t manage to flank the Panther, you should lose with T-34/85s etc.
The frontal armor change improves realism and gameplay. |
Thread: T-34/7610 Sep 2014, 16:05 PM
So the same thing like with the Panzergrens happened to the T-34/76...
Tbh. the thing should go down to about the price of a StuG to be cost-effective. |
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I only saw him posting an opinion about the jeep opener. Why people are offended if someone points out things in the game (even if it´s subjective) is beyond me.
Immediately it´s "whining".
Your answer and claiming you "rekt" them is way more annoying.
GG, wp though. |
^I like how you conveniently have forgot about its armor penetration, As stated above: The armor penetration is almost irrelevant in a game where your opponents armored force consists of medium tanks almost every game.
speed, acceleration, armor and limited but still incomparably greater AI potential with MGs then any other tank hunter.
Meaning it can drive around a lot being useless. And you don´t seriously want to tell me the infantry is running away from Panthers?
Also its AT DPS is almost equal to easy8 and T34/85.
Now you actually made me laugh. It has almost the dps of the medium tanks it´s supposed to counter - those medium tanks that perform way better versus infantry. If I ever see a Panther decimating infantry like a double T-34/85 call in, we can talk. Actually you have proven my point... it´s worse than medium tanks, in every relevant aspect. 
To be clear: The Panther should deal more damage than either T-34/85 or Easy 8. |
has high hp,
It has the HP of a T-34/85, a medium tank. Only with vet 2 it gets a tad more hp. I would say its HP is moderate.
good armor, less range, and more mobility than the most TD.
That has 10 range less than Jackson and SU-85, can´t spot for itself (Su-85 can), does regular damage (Jackson does more). Making it rather inefficient.
and it can kill infantry also better than a TD due it's MGs.
Better, but still not well. Especially considering the fact that it can´t fight more than one medium tank and its cost.
It really doesn't a buff,but a cost decrease.
Less dps than a Panzer IV, can not utilize its 50 range when on the offensive. Can only somewhat perform versus infantry and is lost versus multiple tanks because of its rate of fire. |
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