If it was their priority that would have already be included in the patch. But Ostruppen and butchering the Scott into irrelevant are more important things to do. |
you guys saying the jackson needs to be good because its all there is are not reading what i am saying
MAKE THE OTHER STOCK OPTIONS BETTER AND TONE DOWN THE JACKSON
yes. RIGHT NOW it has to be good because the stock options are not great
YES there is no real stock alternative
YES it has to be good against heavy armour
BUT in its current state it is taking the role of 2 sherman variants and the m10 as well as its own
this is BAD for diversity AND balance. this means that any doctrine with these vehicles is automatically obsolete and working at 80% of a full commander loadout (except the mechanized one that has like 12 vehicles and 15 abilities, but thats the result of trying to make a commander with a medium AT tank attractive when the Jackson already fills the role better)
Sherman variants/m10 =! stock option.
And it is not like everyone here has not already proposed solutions to make USF less dependant on the Jackson with the only result of the balance team adjusting the Jackson price and armor.
This says something: the jackson isn't going to be touched, even in this patch which is supposed to focus on CORE units, absolutely nothing has been done to modify the Jackson synergy within the USF late game.
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You are the one failing to understand that the only thing I have posted so far it that your claim about the one commander is false.
On top of that you are responding to fabricated things I have not posted anything about.
Can't help you if you stick to a sentence taken out of context.
If every, or almost every commander provides the tool in one way or another its not quite as big a problem. Not that I'm even suggesting only doctrinal options-I'm not nor was I. Exile is pissy because a usf Panther clone is a God awful idea and I told him such so he ignored my multiple declarations that usf medium AT needs brought up to snuff to accompany the Jackson nerf to try and make me look like he.
Elite zooks on officers would help not only with usf medium AT but also make the officers feel... More,for example.
More accessible HVAP on the 57mm via price reduction would help
Sherman AP could be looked at and made more AT with a bit less AOE.
There are options but I maintain, the do it all Jackson is overshadowing a number of USF vehicles and smothering diversity.
Couldn't care less about what you think about it. It wasn't even a formal proposal just an example of what would really make the Ez8 useful in its actual context of AT specialist. Thing is except you and Vipper everybody got the point.
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It is when the main suggest that is only one commander where there are 7 out of 9. And the following posts I pointed if the main point is that USF struggle vs mediums with their stock option without the M36 even that claim is not really supported.
I have not focused on anything, I simply pointed out a false claim and I would had leave it to that if people where not quoting me.
My point so far is that original claim is false unless some one want to claim that is true I have no reason to add anything on the point.
What you fail to understand is that doctrines aren't mean (anymore) to fulfill gaps but to propse alternatives. You could add whatever you want in doctrines that wouldn't be an argument to nerf what is available stock.
Other point you fail to understand is that the game doesn't only revolve around medium tanks so even if you give each doctrine an alternative to deal with mediums tanks that's never going to be enough for the USF late game.
Last point you failed to understand, and darkarmadillo as well is that my suggestion was to make the Ez8 an alternative to fight panthers and Tigers instead of Pz4s because as good as it can be on paper there are too few utilities for that in-game because once a panther hit the field or you already outnumber it or your next unit will be a jackson to fight off.
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something like that will be enough i feel, to make the commander attractive despite the state of the jackson, although imo a jackson change is needed for the health of many USF AT options. again, stock options will need tweaked as a result, but itll open the door for doctrinal options which would be great for diversity.
Yeah let's nerf the Jackson because we give the faction one doctrine with a tank that can dominate the medium tank meta.
Good idea. And let's call it diversity of course xD! |
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Lot of bug splash at the moment. |
Your issue then seems to be that you want much more out of the E8 than it's supposed to give. There are an extremely limited number of tanks that can go toe to toe with the Panther. That is by design.
The E8 is not and will not ever be one of those tanks in part because you can hop out and heal the fucking thing anywhere even if you don't have a lick of infantry. This is significant and the drawback for this is that usf tanks are not meant to be panthers. The E8s job is to make the enemy NEED panthers. You can bitch and moan about it not beating a Panther and not having the AI to be a t34/85 but here's the thing: the Panther doesn't either, but yours comes out sooner to do what it can in the meantime and they CAN'T build p4s to make up the difference because they will get clubbed like nobody's business.
ALSO there are options beyond the limited ones you propose, ones that arnt shit. The E8 doesn't need changes, the doctrine does. It doesn't need to be made OP so everyone picks it and builds E8s (seriously sit for a second and think of how beyond trash of a suggestion this is. It's a codguy level suggestion) we've already addressed the shit tier idea of making it into a Panther further up (another ill conceived, unthought out suggestion that shows a clear disregard for actually trying to achieve balance)
Seriously awful suggestions that show a clear misunderstanding of the faction, the unit, unit roles, interaction between factions and general common sense of even the lowest fathomable sort.
you're out of your mind, I haven't ask for anything about the Ez8 and you should be more careful with the way you speak with other people here.
You don't like my ideas fair enough but stick to it and stop trying to insult the person.
Now about your arguments, I'll answer that is it far more efficient to build a dozer to force the panther than an Ez8. I'm pretty sure that if you replace the Ez8 by the dozer blade upgrade the doctrine would be picked even more. |
The E8 has more pen and armour than the 85,more utility and only 80hp less (still requires an extra hit over standard variants from conventional AT including tigers and panthers). It's AI on the cannon is about the only place the t34/85 pulls ahead, and even that is in part made up by the pintle on. Additionally AI is not something usf lacks...
The 85 is more available and comes in better commanders, but the E8 is a superior tank statistically. That's without even attributing the crew or smoke or vet..
And nothing that statistically make the Ez8 a great tank let him compete with the panther making it as poorly efficient as the T34-85 on the AT department on anything above the Pz4. I really don't know what so complicated to understand here.
The T34-85 is a great tank because while naturally outclassing Pz4s it has great anti infantry impact and good survivability.
There are 3 ways to make the Ez8 useful. Or a T34-85 clone but the segment is already filled with the sherman dozer or a panther clone with obviously the cost increased accordingly. Third way would be to make the doctrine so good people would pick it regularly and build the Ez8 because its in it.
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The issue with the E8 is that it's an AT tank in a faction with the very best TD going. There's no need for it as the Jackson can do the task without the risk of damage. There will never be a spot for any of the alt AT option for USF as long as they pale to the Jackson.
Statistically the e8 is fantastic. It's got great armour and fantastic pen. It's got mobility, it has utility it has the usf crew! In any other faction it would be the only medium you see, but no other faction has a fast moving, fast turreted, high pen, 60 range, self healing TD that can pump up its damage and pen with the click of a button either....
And it got outclassed once the panther/tiger or whatever heavier is out. There is a reason why the T74-85 is considered as the best premium medium tank and that's not because of its AT weight. |
You are substantially wrong. A good player uses the JP4 to hard counter Allies mediums and TDs hard. It has a low target size, a high rate of fire, and more than enough penetration to take care of most allied vehicles. It is the solution against these pesky USF Jacksons. The JP4 vet bonus are fantastic. I see a lot of JP4s in 2on2+ games, more than OKW P4s, even more JP4s in narrow and long maps.
Is your solution would be to buff other allies or axis vehicles? Is that how I read it? Or why did you bring that subject up?
The more you player vs high level player to more you see jpz4. |
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