Profile of ilGetUSomDay

Watch some of the top streams. You will see this is not the case at the top levels of play. Top 200-1000 is players with varying levels of skill. A lot of them are really not terribly great but use cheese like you noticed to get to that point. They are not skilled players but rely on the the build and meta to win. Blobing can only get you so far. As for the snipers guard, its really just a faction design problem

It seems more of a team issue due to overflow of resources rather than anything else.

Notes:
-The scavenger arty needs some tweaks

-I don´t think arty should be INMUNE to offmap cause it´s being built inside the base. On the other hand i think it should be cheaper (for it´s actual performance) and be not cost effective to deal with them with muni abilities.
Also, i don´t see bad play, forcing a masive retreat and then sending some offmap to his base.

-Stuka strafing run can be "spammed" due to being on a commander which gives more resources (Opel or fuel for muni) Also it´s either a 60 or 120muni ability. For the 2nd one, it has a duration of 75s with a behaviour which makes it "easier" to take down. That´s why i´m saying if you are annoyed by strafes, use AA.
IMO: AA range should be smaller but more consistent. (This doesn't apply to MG gunners).

-I don´t see inconsistence in some abilities having different triggers or conditions to be used.

Inconsistencies? how bout the the US and OKW 105mm can be fired on base sectors but the 240mm USF one cannot

AA in this game is pathetic. I have tested in a custom map before to see how much it takes to reliably stop planes in general:

It takes 2 dedicated AA devices (ostwind, M5) to shoot down the plane at the end of its strafe. This is also assuming both are right near by each other and in the plane's trajectory. It takes 3 to down a plane between the first and second pass. It takes 4 next to each other in order to drop a bombing strike.

OKW is different, their base flack guns do not do a whole lot but there is a tremendous difference with the flack HQ on the field.

It takes some extreme luck to shoot down any planes with pintle mounted mgs

Anyhow I made this post not much out of balance for the call ins themselves but to promote a polished game. Inconsistencies are not very professional. In a sense its like making a law that some people have to fallow but for no reasons others do not.

Hi comrades of the glorious Soviet Union

I want to ask you all about the viability of combined arms vs OKW and OST. What do you guys do and how does it work out for you?

I don't think I can micro well enough to keep my sniper useful in the early game so I always build a T2. I build a couple of Maxims, conscripts and mortars and I try to support all my units whenever I push or defend. I also pump out an AT gun eventually if I think the enemy is going for a vehicle. The barrage ability is also very nice for blobs or campers. If I see that our team is winning, I go T3 and build tanks. If the other team is camping a lot or blobby, I build T4 and go for a Katyusha and SU85. I really like this strategy and I do alright with it (but the wins aren't coming


Obviously I don't play at a very high level, and only teamgames (you can look at my shitty player card). Just wanted your opinions on combined arms versus Axis

Here is a solid combined arms strat I refined over the course of Coh2 for soviet vs Ostheer:

con
con
build T1
penal
M3
Penal
guard
T2
Maxim, mortar, or zis depending on the map and what is spotted
Maxim, mortar, or zis depending on what you spotted earlier and did not buy last (I.E. if you got a maxim, get a Zis)
from here probably another guard squad
T3 or T4 depending on what doc you chose (if you chose guards motor, no need to get T3, get T4)

This strat was originaly for ISU mech support doc (I loved the ISU since coh2 came out even though it sucked)

You'll notice there are no HQ upgrades. I generally do not get molotovs, but AT nades and Healing is essential to the game. you should get at least one of the upgrades before T2 is dropped and the other before T3 is dropped.


Key points with this build:
first M3 is for either a penal squad or an engineer squad. It is ment to flank, chase down weak units, or drop off a penal squad to satchel a bunker. This M3 is very important in keeping your opponent forced back, Do not over extend this unit unless it is for a large gain. Keep it in the back as a mobile defense/ support unit

This build is munitions starved, try to ration out your abilities and mines

after the second penal is out, Cap points in pairs, one penal and one conscript squad. Keep your guards along your defensive line near your weapons teams. Guards with DP's are key to holding the line effectively

Original this build was ment to have T4 only back when Su-85s were awesome and T34s sucked something terrible. T3 is a much more valid choice in current times, though on some maps getting an SU-85 is really good.

last of all, combined arms only works if you are using combined arms. What this means is your units need to be in arms reach of each other to be effective and supported. A lone guard squad can get picked off easily and like wise if you accidentally have two penals on one side of the map a 221/222 will ruin your day

Oh yea, also if call in arty was not allowed to be used on the base sector, there would no longer be videos and posts showing how arty killed their base while they were winning

Use AA (SU is more affordable on teamgames and you can´t tell me the US AA is bad)

See this is why I do not post on a regular basis anymore. No matter how well written or supported (mine is not really do to its generic request) threads get hijacked by details. I made no mention of what I play, and yet immediately the USF AA truck came out. May I remind you to fully read the thread and not to make assumptions, they lead to flaming in many cases. I could be a pure 1v1 player or an Ostheer only player that thinks the ability is broken. In any case it was an EXAMPLE not a complaint. There are a few abilities like it that I am referring to.

Before I go on to my main statements, I would just like to mention AA is terrible in the whole game. It takes 2-3 AA units depending on positioning, call in area, and what they are doing to reliably shoot down planes. Having one unit does not have an effect.

Now for my main points:

This thread is about call in arty in general, not specifics. I see no reason why call ins should not be consistent. In anything, school, work, games, etc. inconsistencies are not professional and show sloppiness or laziness which are not good things for the upcoming partnership with ESL. It also indirectly makes some doctrines redundantly better. One of the reasons I think making all call in arty un-usable on base sectors is on map artillery. If Call in arty cannot be used in base sectors, it actually allows on the map arty to participate without simply being bombed off the map at the first convenience of your opponents. This indirectly will allow arty to some what be able to counter heavy tanks such as Jagdtiger, ISU, and elephants more readily with out any major statistic changes.

Point two is that Units have cool downs for a reason; they are not supposed to be spammed. Call ins should be no exception. being bombed or strafed for minutes strait leads to dull, non strategic play as you can save munitions (really easy to do in team games) to simply off map bomb your opponents back.