Profile of ilGetUSomDay

I broke up my hopes in multiple parts to promote narrowed good discussion with less derailing.

DISCLAIMER:
Please keep the discussion around these 4 topics. Remember the fallowing:

Just because A is unfair does not make B unfair, they are two different entities

Just because A is fair does not make B fair, they are two different entities

There is asymmetric balance in this game, do not compare two units directly in similar roles
(think about everything, timing, cost, role, multi purpose, etc)

Keep anything to do with fan boys out of my thread, there is no place for it

This part is focused on the USF

So I think they did a really great job only slightly chipping away at the M15 halftrack. Maybe it could use a slight bit more toning down, but really I think that if Ostheer have a slight BP1 fuel reduction the Ostheer player should have ample time to get the proper counter in time.

The dodge truck needs to come down in effectiveness slightly

I have heard that USF Popcap is utterly broken in team games, this is a tricky situation to fix, I have no clue how to address it

Bazookas are absolutely abysmal, they need a slight damage increase or price reduction because in their current state they are not at all worth getting

I think rifles damage at long range could come down a bit

Assault engineers need a slight buff at vet one. after vet two they become awesome because of the reduced incoming accuracy bonus, but prior to them they are really only good at killing volks (sort of) and pioneers. beyond that they are solely used for demo charges

M1919s need to some down in effectiveness

Bars themselves are relatively fine

Can we please get rid of these vetted riflemen? It really screws over balance for negligible MP cost over regular ones.

I think easy 8s are fine after call ins are addressed

M10 wolverine utterly blows, its like the SU76 had a bastard child and gave it to USF

Major arty barrage comes in too late to ever be effective. You might as well always drop the fake flares because you will never hit anything that moves

Easy 8s need a slight increase in cost to better represent their performance (being too awesome)
Some of you have noticed, others have not. If rifles get addressed, Vet rifles get addressed, and Ostheer gets slightly buffed then the USF will undoubtedly be the weakest faction. Basically its only large advantage of the early game will get slightly weaker allowing Axis players to more easily mitigate the damage delt by the USF and hasten the late game where USF is moderate at best. I think the main problem with why USF struggles late game is this miss conception of "swarming" many worse tanks against a better tank which rarely happens (unless they are saving for an expensive ass call in tank). Generally you'll see maybe a one tank advantage against your opponent which as the late game progresses you need every ounce of armor advantage because Rifles start to get melted by OKW superior infantry and Ostheer better combined. arms Both axis factions have better vet rewards as well for the most part. There is a reason Axis dominates team games, and should some of these changes take place for better balance USF will need to get a buffed late game. My opinion is that the fact that the USF tanks are soo expensive in fuel and in pop cap you cannot hope to really swarm Axis tanks. Think about it: if two sides has the same amount of stuff they can take, and one side has worse stuff, they will be of course at a disadvantage. That is basically what is happening late game. There ends up being a P4 and a tiger vs what, three, at best 4 shermans? Good luck taking out that let alone if there is a pak near by. The worst part is unless you go airborne for paratroopers or M1919s USF infantry and teams melt just like Soviets against late game axis infantry unless upgraded to double bars so you pretty much have to have a tank dedicated to killing infantry.

My point is to let people know the bigger picture about the USF, I dont actually know how to really fix teh late game.

Love how there are 3 parts to an allied thread. Yet the other two are never locked. Yet again COh.org pro-allied scum. Despute the game in a broken state favouring allies heavily

it's probably because the OP ran outta time and has not gotten to parts IV and V

Dammit google chrome! you copied my last title can some one change it to
General Balance Hopes Part III??

I have broken up my hopes into multiple threads in order to narrow the debate and hopefully stop derailing from happening so easily.

DISCLAIMER:
Please keep the discussion around these 4 topics. Remember the fallowing:

Just because A is unfair does not make B unfair, they are two different entities

Just because A is fair does not make B fair, they are two different entities

There is asymmetric balance in this game, do not compare two units directly in similar roles
(think about everything, timing, cost, role, multi purpose, etc)

Keep anything to do with fan boys out of my thread, there is no place for it

Topic: Call in tanks

I do not think the call in system is completely bogus. Now bear with me, in its current state it is but I believe that was simply an oversight by Relic.

Remember way back at the beginning of this game when there were 8 minute medium tanks? You could never survive waiting for 11 CP's for a tiger or IS-2. I believe that Heavy tanks and medium tank call ins need to be pushed back to around the 30 minute mark. That way call in units are still used (any huge increase in price will kill them) and they do not give the player skipping out on tech a huge advantage (or rather only a very slight disadvantage)

Tanks to be left alone in this: PVI command tank, Bulldozer Sherman, and StugE. these tanks provide little in terms of multi role / AT and so while you can skip tech to getting one, they would do little to stem the tide of armor from your opponent. Other wise I think all tank call ins (single medium ones included such as the Ostheer Puma) need to be pushed back in proportion

what cruzz said