Panzerwerfer damage against garrison
8 Jan 2016, 13:31 PM
#1
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The damage multiplier for garrison cover is set to 1 for the Panzerwerfer which causes instant death for units in buildings when being hit. Especially support weapons sufffer from this.
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8 Jan 2016, 14:05 PM
#2
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? Allied support weapon with garrison? If I am not mistaken the only support weapon that can garrison is the rakketenwerfer...(R.W.)
Are you referring to HMG only? Thanks katitof
Are you referring to HMG only? Thanks katitof
8 Jan 2016, 14:06 PM
#3
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? Allied support weapon with garrison? If I am not mistaken the only support weapon that can garrison is the rakketenwerfer...(R.W.)
Have you ever heard of heavy machine guns?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
8 Jan 2016, 14:38 PM
#4
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Panzerwerfer is broken OP. Especially so vs garrisons. This is even worse than the pre-nerf Centaur. Unsurprisingly, this is largely for the exact same reasons.
1. The garrison damage multiplier is 1
2. The mid AND far AoE distance multipliers are TOO big
3. The damage_all_in_hold property is set to True (i.e., rockets deal damage to all garrisoned units)
So, what happens, when we combine those 3 things together?
1. In the worst case (for the Pwerfer), it only requires 3.4 rockets to land ANYWHERE near the building in order to wipe the entire garrison.
2. The Katyusha needs at LEAST 27 rockets to achieve the same feat
Of course, in most practical cases the Panzerwerfer can wipe the entire garrison with fewer rockets (i.e., if some of them land directly on top of the models). This is strictly because of reasons #1 and #2.
1. The garrison damage multiplier is 1
2. The mid AND far AoE distance multipliers are TOO big
3. The damage_all_in_hold property is set to True (i.e., rockets deal damage to all garrisoned units)
So, what happens, when we combine those 3 things together?
1. In the worst case (for the Pwerfer), it only requires 3.4 rockets to land ANYWHERE near the building in order to wipe the entire garrison.
2. The Katyusha needs at LEAST 27 rockets to achieve the same feat
Of course, in most practical cases the Panzerwerfer can wipe the entire garrison with fewer rockets (i.e., if some of them land directly on top of the models). This is strictly because of reasons #1 and #2.
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8 Jan 2016, 17:24 PM
#5
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I was going to look at the stats of the panzerwerfer as it seemed to be really strong. Thankfully, Mr.Smith saved me some time. Thanks. This explains a few things.
Let's hope relic sees this post. Well done Mr.Smith
Let's hope relic sees this post. Well done Mr.Smith
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8 Jan 2016, 17:42 PM
#6
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it basically launching grenades at you
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
8 Jan 2016, 17:54 PM
#7
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This should surprise literally no one lol.
lelic pls fix
lelic pls fix
8 Jan 2016, 18:19 PM
#8
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pwerfer masterrace all the way.
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8 Jan 2016, 19:17 PM
#9
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I have made a more detailed post about the Panzerwerfer in the balance section of coh2.org: http://www.coh2.org/topic/47530/did-the-panzerwerfer-really-need-a-damage-buff
@Cuddletronic/Spacebus: There seem to be 3 damage multipliers in the game files (this is for all units):
- Far
- Medium
- Near
Was it always the case that we had 3 different damage multipliers, or did the medium one get added recently?
@Cuddletronic/Spacebus: There seem to be 3 damage multipliers in the game files (this is for all units):
- Far
- Medium
- Near
Was it always the case that we had 3 different damage multipliers, or did the medium one get added recently?
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8 Jan 2016, 19:34 PM
#10
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Was it always the case that we had 3 different damage multipliers, or did the medium one get added recently?
As far as I know mid was always there ...I think usually it is (far+near)/2
8 Jan 2016, 19:41 PM
#11
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As far as I know mid was always there ...I think usually it is (far+near)/2
Thanks. It seems I cannot find the pre-buff mid-range value for the Panzerwerfer then (coh2-stats.com).
You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
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8 Jan 2016, 19:45 PM
#12
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I just went quickly through old Katy whine thread.
So many cherry picks from guys who whined how OP is Katy, how OP is ability to wipe a squads in every single barrage.
But know PzWerfer is fine
So many cherry picks from guys who whined how OP is Katy, how OP is ability to wipe a squads in every single barrage.
But know PzWerfer is fine
8 Jan 2016, 20:26 PM
#13
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So many cherry picks from guys who whined how OP is Katy, how OP is ability to wipe a squads in every single barrage.
I don't really see the point of this post...was kati in your opinion OP at that time or not?
and this bugs section not balance...
8 Jan 2016, 20:42 PM
#14
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Permanently BannedI just went quickly through old Katy whine thread.
So many cherry picks from guys who whined how OP is Katy, how OP is ability to wipe a squads in every single barrage.
But know PzWerfer is fine
I see that video with You and PW
from our polite (not whine) friends MVGame.
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8 Jan 2016, 20:49 PM
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I see that video with You and PW
Did you see these mighty blobs of mine?
I did not, wonder where were they since I blobbed so much
8 Jan 2016, 20:50 PM
#16
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Panzerwerfer is fine as it is. Arty is intended to destroy campy positions.
also it's easy to dodge: just leave house when you hear it.
It's no problem except you're a 4vs4 Maxim Spammer
also it's easy to dodge: just leave house when you hear it.
It's no problem except you're a 4vs4 Maxim Spammer
8 Jan 2016, 20:57 PM
#17
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Panzerwerfer is fine as it is. Arty is intended to destroy campy positions.
also it's easy to dodge: just leave house when you hear it.
It's no problem except you're a 4vs4 Maxim Spammer
Where were you when katy had 0.3 modifier and everyone said it's OP?
It does not leave any chances to survive for crew weapons. How is that balanced?
It's auto-wipe in a second agasint single squad.
Does not matter if it's open field, garrison, trenches. Even you retreat in 1-2sec after rockets sound you gonna die.
8 Jan 2016, 21:03 PM
#18
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Permanently BannedPanzerwerfer is fine as it is. Arty is intended to destroy campy positions.
also it's easy to dodge: just leave house when you hear it.
It's no problem except you're a 4vs4 Maxim Spammer
Pls
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Relic killing our game, lets save COH2 from Relic
If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
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If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
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8 Jan 2016, 21:05 PM
#19
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Did you see these mighty blobs of mine?
Oh ye, 3 squads now are blob (when people say somthing about blob i will be send tham that video with 2 rifles and 1 cap and 2 RE with zooks
). But there strat looks interesting PG with shrek into PW and opels.
Relic killing our game, lets save COH2 from Relic
If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
If Dane will be have son, he will be call him (Sturmgeschütz)
Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity
If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
If Dane will be have son, he will be call him (Sturmgeschütz)
Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity
8 Jan 2016, 21:08 PM
#20
Posts: 2779
Where were you when katy had 0.3 modifier and everyone said it's OP?
It does not leave any chances to survive for crew weapons. How is that balanced?
It's auto-wipe in a second agasint single squad.
Does not matter if it's open field, garrison, trenches. Even you retreat in 1-2sec after rockets sound you gonna die.
What a Genius, when those Katyusha was OP because it even deal damage to tanks and OKW truck, 2 volleys can take down the truck to 25% health.
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