...Entering the field at a time when no axis hard counter exists, SHOCKS are an infantry hard-counter that in all practical reality have no counter:
Smoke ability negates MG's or even flack HT (which dies to small-arms fire fast btw).
Sniper is nice in theory, but even at max range is run off fast and has to retreat or evaporate instantly.
Early game domination via SHOCKS is easy, holding map thereafter is even easier. They're just so durable. Good luck pushing them out. OKW especially struggle. All counters come far too late. Counters that exist aren't adequate or precarious at best.
-I'd remove smoke ability all together, or make it a late vet ability.
-Flack HT should get a armor buff so that small arms fire is less of an issue. That, or make it kill faster.
The problem with SHOCKS is....
10 Apr 2015, 16:10 PM
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10 Apr 2015, 16:11 PM
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The problem with SHOCKS is....
nonexistent.
10 Apr 2015, 16:13 PM
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... there's no problem with them 
altho i'd like to see them have AT nades
altho i'd like to see them have AT nades
10 Apr 2015, 16:14 PM
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Permanently BannedThey will get pinned and most of the time then they will throw smoke, just use a rifle grenade, or focus them down with grens, an lmg42 gren squad does wonders. As okw by the time he has shocks, you will have about 25 volk squads, just out gun him huh!
10 Apr 2015, 16:19 PM
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yes, make the HT insta kill an squad
oh wait..
oh wait..
10 Apr 2015, 16:29 PM
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10 Apr 2015, 16:45 PM
#7
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Sniper/hmg + support for ostheer, vehicles for okw.
I will simply lol at anyone expecting such a change to a 2 year old general use infantry.
Equally possible are pershing for USF, IS-3 for soviets or ober nerf for OKW.
10 Apr 2015, 16:58 PM
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Shocks just remind players of the early days of COH 2 when Pgrens had the same amount of armor and you had to think about how to deal with them before they ate up your conscripts
10 Apr 2015, 17:22 PM
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Luvnets > /thread
Anyway: you can always use attack ground with Flah HT. Problem solved.
Anyway: you can always use attack ground with Flah HT. Problem solved.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
10 Apr 2015, 17:29 PM
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I always use Attack ground with the Flak HT anyway, it loves to bug out and move when you don't want it to when using the regular attack.
10 Apr 2015, 17:33 PM
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Nothing is wrong with the shocks. They suck at long range, medium, and even relatively close. Their armor isn't as high as it used to be, and they cost a lot to reinforce.
10 Apr 2015, 17:35 PM
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Shocks just remind players of the early days of COH 2 when Pgrens had the same amount of armor and you had to think about how to deal with them before they ate up your conscripts
And when the Artillery Officer had more armour than all of them. But just him, not the other guys with him. Goooooooooood times.
Oh yeah, and Shocks are fine.
10 Apr 2015, 18:21 PM
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Kubel, HMGs, sniper and a dose of L2P.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Apr 2015, 18:23 PM
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Moved to COH2 Gameplay
10 Apr 2015, 18:39 PM
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They are fine. Even two volks could take them out with good kiting, they are pure garbage on long range and smokes only help if they throw it before they get supressed or shot at and even then you can always dunno....throw a granade in the smoke.
10 Apr 2015, 18:46 PM
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They only perform "well" (not OP) in urban maps, when you can flank your enemy without being detected. They can not Move towards you in an open field without losing models.
10 Apr 2015, 18:53 PM
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Shocks do well what they are designed to do. Perfect example of good unit design. Armored, great at close range and with smoke greandes that allowing them to close the distance. This all might seem OP but thier long range performance is nonexistent which is enough to balance them out.
10 Apr 2015, 19:03 PM
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Posts: 162
The problem with shocks is that OKW has long range shocks that spawn behind enemy lines and have panzerfausts.
10 Apr 2015, 19:06 PM
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Kubel, HMGs, sniper and a dose of L2P.
+ 1
90% of the problems are between the chair and the keyboard ^^
10 Apr 2015, 19:10 PM
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Permanently Bannedl2p
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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