PTRS now OP?

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 12:53 PMThe Silver Sage

While the ptrs needs to be fixed, why would you want to make a doctrine useless? That just makes the game boring.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:06 PMBrachiaraidos

I like the way people call the PTRS being able to actually hit things a bug. Really shows off the kind of mind set we're dealing with here.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:16 PMBurts

Ok, so i found out that the PTRS doesn't actually *target* the support weapon itself when it shoots at it, the reason why it damages support weapons is because shots that missed are likely to scatter into the gun itself.

Which is also why a PTRS shot that rolled a "miss" can still end up hitting the target due to the way scatter works.

Also, the PTRS always has been destroying support weapons like this. Only that before nobody was blobbing PTRS units like mad.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:19 PMturbotortoise

so, essentially support weapons have a... magnetic effect to them, which is also improving the odds of a destroyed gun?

what were your research methods, and test environment?

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 13:05 PMSully

PTRS apologists are no better than defenders of the original Tiger Ace.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:22 PMBurts

Well, let me explain how tank hits work. Tanks have a scatter value, which affects how far away the shot can actually miss. Their accuracy is pretty pathetic, something like 5% , which means that a tank will only directly hit an infantry unit 5% of the time. Yet they end up hitting infantry alot more, since tanks have a large AOE, they end up doing damage to infantry even if the gun "rolled a miss" due to the shot scattering close to the infantry unit.

Same with the PTRS guns, they dont work as small arms in the game, which means that if they miss the crew, the shot will hit something else instead, maybe a piece of cover, a house, another crew member , or sometimes a support weapon.


This also means that the PTRS performs higher than it's DPS stats show, because scattering shots can still hit infantry units sometimes.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:22 PMBurts

Well, let me explain how tank hits work. Tanks have a scatter value, which affects how far away the shot can actually miss. Their accuracy is pretty pathetic, something like 5% , which means that a tank will only directly hit an infantry unit 5% of the time. Yet they end up hitting infantry alot more, since tanks have a large AOE, they end up doing damage to infantry even if the gun "rolled a miss" due to the shot scattering close to the infantry unit.

Same with the PTRS guns, they dont work as small arms in the game, which means that if they miss the crew, the shot will hit something else instead, maybe a piece of cover, a house, another crew member , or sometimes a support weapon.


This also means that the PTRS performs higher than it's DPS stats show, because scattering shots can still hit infantry units sometimes.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 10:21 AMcomm_ash

Guys, give it up, it is quite obvious to everyone that the PTRS cannot keep its current stats when wielded by cons. It would be like giving the lmg34 upgrade to volksgrenediers. The lmg34 is fine on the obersoldatan, because the squad itself is expensive and not spammable. But give this upgrade to a much cheaper squad that you WILL have at least 3-4 of on the field at all times and you have an OP upgrade. Not to mention that lmg34 on volks would have an lmg squad that can build green cover, much in the same way that PTRS on cons gives you a squad that can sprint into their weapons' optimal range.

The conscripts aren't the problem and the PTRS isn't the problem. The problem is giving such a potent AI upgrade to such a weak squad that can benefit so immensely from it.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:16 PMBurts

Ok, so i found out that the PTRS doesn't actually *target* the support weapon itself when it shoots at it, the reason why it damages support weapons is because shots that missed are likely to scatter into the gun itself.

Which is also why a PTRS shot that rolled a "miss" can still end up hitting the target due to the way scatter works.

Also, the PTRS always has been destroying support weapons like this. Only that before nobody was blobbing PTRS units like mad.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 15:06 PMVuther

Actually, yeah, that makes perfect sense. The target size of the heavy weapons are pretty big (20), so I think that would cause missed PTRS shots to frequently hit the weapon.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 17:37 PMKatitof

PTRS always hit team weapon before the changes as well.
Difference is, it was nearly extinct weapon as the only target it could engage was light vehicles, which had plenty of time to move to other side of the map before being destroyed.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:06 PMBrachiaraidos

I like the way people call the PTRS being able to actually hit things a bug. Really shows off the kind of mind set we're dealing with here.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 14:06 PMBrachiaraidos

I like the way people call the PTRS being able to actually hit things a bug. Really shows off the kind of mind set we're dealing with here.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 19:51 PMvan Voort

960 MP + a couple of hundred munitions counters beats 210 MP unit

Film at 11

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 20:02 PMThunderhun

COH 2 shouldn't be about blobs moving around insta gibbing everything