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Snipester
31 Jul 2014, 19:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 19:12 PMBrachiaraidos
Why does everyone say Ost T4 is bad? The Pwerfer was awesome these last few patches. Maybe if all the embittered diehard ost fans had pulled heir collective heads out of the sand and realized it had the same damage profile as the 'mad OP' katty with a much tighter, faster barrage, they could have had the fun I was having with that little beauty.

Especially hidden in a forwards spot to counter-battaery kattys and watch them get gibbed by my now shiny vet 2/3 werfer.

Panther still needs to be the same as the Ost one, but meh. Werfer was- and maybe still is- worth T4 in long 2v2 games.

Tiger >>>>> Panther, especially at 230 FU vs 175 FU + tech costs. 175 FU + tech is a lot to pay for a specialist, which is pretty mediocre at what it does.

Things that Panther does better: range, speed, turret rotation
Things that Tiger does better: RoF, HP, armor, anti infantry

I believe that they have the same accuracy (0.025 far, 0.05 near), but the Tiger also has the advantage in DPS because of its superior RoF.

Also remember that the advantages the Panther has over the Tiger can be made up with vet (range at vet 2, speed and turret rotation at vet 3). The Tiger is simply superior.
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Brachiaraidos
31 Jul 2014, 19:56 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 19:28 PMboc120
There used to be quite a few people who went T4 Soviets and the Katy buff is designed to make doing so more attractive.

There was before the SU-85 got repeated nerfs and then german tanks got their turpo warp drives back.

Soviet and Ost T4 are both dead in 1v1. And both live on strong in 2v2.

Seems fine to me.

jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 19:54 PMSnipester
.......The Tiger is simply superior.


Tiger being amazeballs did not make Ost T4 bad. Just less appealing compared to the current uber, techless status of call in tanks.

Much like how the M4C and T-34-85 are often used as straight up replacements for soviet T3. This does not make soviet T3 bad.
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MajorBloodnok
31 Jul 2014, 20:05 PM
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Complaints are coming in, guys. Please keep it sweet, otherwise sanctions must be applied. :(
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drChengele
31 Jul 2014, 20:08 PM
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Overall the Kat is still in a better position than prior to July 22 patch - more than double the area of effect of each rocket, and a much better distant damage modifier. And frankly the cooldown increase is quite welcome for all the rocket artillery.

I admit now that Kat has the same reload time as the Stuka - the Stuka should maybe be looked at.
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MajorBloodnok
31 Jul 2014, 20:18 PM
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Please continue to show respect for the other's opinion, even if you disagree with it.

There is nothing wrong with a player who prefers 3v3 or 4v4 - but balance is tilted on 1v1 and 2v2
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Vaz
31 Jul 2014, 20:18 PM
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The stuka is not going to be looked at, because it's doing what relic intends for it to do. I don't think the AOE far damage being doubled from 4 to 8 is a big deal. To me this is like someone doubling my penny. 2 pennys are still pretty worthless to me. Soldiers have 80 health, 8 damage is what 10%? LOL, a little too lenient but I'll shoot for direct hits.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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Cardboard Tank
31 Jul 2014, 20:22 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 19:24 PMBrachiaraidos


Why's that, exactly?

How many T4 soviets do you see in 1v1? Aside from the current Katty bandwagon.
Nobody said that Soviet T4 was as it should be. I think the Su-76 needs to get some StuG like anti infantry capabilities as the Tier lacks that. The new Katjuscha I can´t comment on yet. Su-85 seemed pretty decent last patch though I didn´t see them often. T-34/85 were obviously the better choice.

But do two wrongs make something right? If Soviet T4 is lacking so should the Ost T4? I would prefer more options and thus the Tier needs to be buffed for both. It´s not just about call ins being more affordable, it´s the specific units not fulfilling their role.
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Abdul
31 Jul 2014, 20:30 PM
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I am doing test as we speak and will be recording it

let me know if anything specific u want
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Snipester
31 Jul 2014, 20:31 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 19:56 PMBrachiaraidos

Tiger being amazeballs did not make Ost T4 bad. Just less appealing compared to the current uber, techless status of call in tanks.

Much like how the M4C and T-34-85 are often used as straight up replacements for soviet T3. This does not make soviet T3 bad.


It's not the Tiger being "amazeballs" that makes T4 suck, it's that Ostheer doesn't really have a choice but to build Tigers as a result of T4 being bad. It's a chicken and the egg problem, see?
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Brachiaraidos
31 Jul 2014, 20:31 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 20:22 PMCardboard Tank
But do two wrongs make something right? If Soviet T4 is lacking so should the Ost T4? I would prefer more options and thus the Tier needs to be buffed for both. It´s not just about call ins being more affordable, it´s the specific units not fulfilling their role.


Panthers, both SU's, and Brummbarrs are all a little lackluster as units, but only compared to the current heavy tanks. They still serve a purpose. And neither T4 can be said to be outright lacking.

Bringing the panther for Ost in line with the OKW one, making the SU-76 even half as useful as the Scott, finding a way to ungimp the -85, giving the Brummbarr any reason to exist. These things will all polish off their respective tiers.

None of these things will make T4 attractive in most 1v1 games. Nothing short of making T4 too good will make T4 attractive in most 1v1 games.

T4 for both armies is geared with all the units that can only really shine in 2v2 and up most of the time. Su's need more densely packed maps to avoid being horribly out-maneuvered, rocket arty needs dense targets, Brummbarrs/Su-76's need a point. Oddly enough the unit to come out best in the T4 line up for 1v1 play is the Panther, but even it is arguably less useful in a 1v1 scenario than a pair of PzIV arriving earlier.

T4 is just a larger game thing for the Soviets and Ost.
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Mr.Deeds
31 Jul 2014, 20:34 PM
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As a Soviet player I have more difficulty dealing with a well microed Panther than a well microed Tiger.
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Hati
31 Jul 2014, 20:40 PM
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Am I crazy or did they ninja change Light Jaeger Infantry price from 290 mp to 340 mp?
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Katitof
31 Jul 2014, 20:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 20:40 PMHati
Am I crazy or did they ninja change Light Jaeger Infantry price from 290 mp to 340 mp?


You are right.

You're crazy.

Read previous patch notes.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Brachiaraidos
31 Jul 2014, 20:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 20:40 PMHati
Am I crazy or did they ninja change Light Jaeger Infantry price from 290 mp to 340 mp?


Patch before this one did that. Upped their MP cost but lowered the reinforce price- the two were out of whack before.
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braciszek
31 Jul 2014, 20:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 20:40 PMHati
Am I crazy or did they ninja change Light Jaeger Infantry price from 290 mp to 340 mp?


Previous patch and wasnt ninjaed.

Too slow.
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Hati
31 Jul 2014, 20:43 PM
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Thanks guys, I'm just crazy :-)
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Jaigen
31 Jul 2014, 20:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 19:12 PMBrachiaraidos
Why does everyone say Ost T4 is bad? The Pwerfer was awesome these last few patches. Maybe if all the embittered diehard ost fans had pulled heir collective heads out of the sand and realized it had the same damage profile as the 'mad OP' katty with a much tighter, faster barrage, they could have had the fun I was having with that little beauty.

Especially hidden in a forwards spot to counter-battaery kattys and watch them get gibbed by my now shiny vet 2/3 werfer.

Panther still needs to be the same as the Ost one, but meh. Werfer was- and maybe still is- worth T4 in long 2v2 games.


WTF? have you seen the teching cost and what you get for it?
horrida flamma bella
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Baionetto
31 Jul 2014, 22:40 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2014, 18:01 PMCardboard Tank
Relic logic: Community complains about call ins being too cost effective and Ostheer T4 being unattractive. Solution:

Nerf Panzerwerfer.




work as intended !!!!!!1111111oneoneeleven!!11!!11!


relic...what are u doing relic plz STAP.
jump backJump back to quoted post5 Oct 2015, 21:41 PMJadame!
Cruzz probably knows game better then Relic does.

Lelic, plz...
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Arclyte
31 Jul 2014, 22:43 PM
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werfer and katyusha are fine now, need to nerf stuka and reduce ostheer tech 4 cost and all will be well with rocket arty
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ThoseDeafMutes
1 Aug 2014, 01:21 AM
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I had no idea there was a problem with the .50 cal MG. Even if it was unintended it didn't seem to be affecting the balance.
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