Killing sov's mgs is really too easy with them... no more skill involved...
A fix is needed. Even computer stomp (hard) is not fun on small maps cause of that...
Are we alone to think that ?
Plz comment.
Thanks !
Who need mortars when you got grenades like that....
16 Jun 2014, 15:01 PM
#1
Posts: 970
Grenadier's grenades are too good...Being able to thrown them while being suppressed is game breaking.... So game breaking that none of my friends want to play Soviets on a small or medium map anymore...
Killing sov's mgs is really too easy with them... no more skill involved...
A fix is needed. Even computer stomp (hard) is not fun on small maps cause of that...
Are we alone to think that ?
Plz comment.
Thanks !
Killing sov's mgs is really too easy with them... no more skill involved...
A fix is needed. Even computer stomp (hard) is not fun on small maps cause of that...
Are we alone to think that ?
Plz comment.
Thanks !
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16 Jun 2014, 15:03 PM
#2
Posts: 368
Either they do a shit ton of damage or meh better luck next time
16 Jun 2014, 15:05 PM
#3
Posts: 17892 | Subs: 8
Nevermind, misread you.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
16 Jun 2014, 15:06 PM
#4
Posts: 680
To late! The riflenade was changed a month ago.
16 Jun 2014, 15:07 PM
#5
Posts: 1585 | Subs: 1
The problem is that without the rifle grenade the larger soviet MG squads would be too good against grens.
I agree a unit pinned should not be able to do anything but retreat (this would go for both Soviet and Ost units).
When I use Soviet MG's I just expect attrition to rifle nades. If I can get the German player to trade 1 nade for 1 model I am doing well in the trade.
I agree a unit pinned should not be able to do anything but retreat (this would go for both Soviet and Ost units).
When I use Soviet MG's I just expect attrition to rifle nades. If I can get the German player to trade 1 nade for 1 model I am doing well in the trade.
16 Jun 2014, 15:39 PM
#6
Posts: 503
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Sometimes the rifle nade dont kill one... Ghost shots...
I even see the shot pass the body of the soldier...
Sometimes the rifle nade dont kill one... Ghost shots...
I even see the shot pass the body of the soldier...
16 Jun 2014, 15:58 PM
#7
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Rifle grenades are fine; if you compare a molotov hitting an MG 42 and a rifle grenade hitting a maxim, I'd rather be the maxim. The 6 man squad reduces their effectiveness to force a retreat, the Ost player needs to trade a significant amount of muni to do that with multiple rifle grenades. Any further reduction to the rifle grenade would make it not worth the price, the chance to waste all of the muni is too great to have the maxim still shooting.
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16 Jun 2014, 16:47 PM
#8
Posts: 747
I don't see any problems with the rifle nade. Just consider that the maxim crew has 6 men, that it suppresses and repositions very fast and that rnades cost alot of ammo.
16 Jun 2014, 17:05 PM
#9
Posts: 2819
They cost a lot, but are indeed very effective.
I also hate the fact that MG's can't properly pin.
Grens are suppressed, crawl forward and get that nade in.
Anyway, it's ok but could be better..
I also hate the fact that MG's can't properly pin.
Grens are suppressed, crawl forward and get that nade in.
Anyway, it's ok but could be better..
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
16 Jun 2014, 17:09 PM
#10
Posts: 987
Conscripts can also throw molotovs when suppressed.
The rifle grenade can be punishing I agree. But the Maxim has a lot of strong points so it needs weaknesses too.
Another member pointed out that rifle nades are expensive, much more expensive than molotovs and don't guarantee that the MG has to pack up and run as the molotov does.
Next time you play as Germans, try to beat Maxims without using the grenade. Or without using it when suppressed.
The rifle grenade can be punishing I agree. But the Maxim has a lot of strong points so it needs weaknesses too.
Another member pointed out that rifle nades are expensive, much more expensive than molotovs and don't guarantee that the MG has to pack up and run as the molotov does.
Next time you play as Germans, try to beat Maxims without using the grenade. Or without using it when suppressed.
Let's keep it constructive
16 Jun 2014, 17:40 PM
#11
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Q: Who need mortars when you got grenades like that....
A: Anyone who would like to have some munitions.
A: Anyone who would like to have some munitions.
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16 Jun 2014, 18:55 PM
#12
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It's not that grenades are too good, it's that artillery is mostly shit in 1v1.
16 Jun 2014, 19:01 PM
#13
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Rnades are fine, the only problem is the maxim on itself, eventhough theres a little similarity with molotov crits (up to some degree).
-Rnade maxim/mortar
-Retreat but gunner get´s killed.
-Keep killing the gunner and wiping the squad.
On the other hand...
-Molotov
-Issue retreat order
-Gunner get´s killed but MG magically teleports to other member crew.
If a nade doesnt kill shit, that is mostly a micro mistake.
Aim towards the biggest group. Don´t quickly "double" RNade one after another to clear a maxim. Wait till they "regroup" or there are people actually manning the MG.
-Rnade maxim/mortar
-Retreat but gunner get´s killed.
-Keep killing the gunner and wiping the squad.
On the other hand...
-Molotov
-Issue retreat order
-Gunner get´s killed but MG magically teleports to other member crew.
If a nade doesnt kill shit, that is mostly a micro mistake.
Aim towards the biggest group. Don´t quickly "double" RNade one after another to clear a maxim. Wait till they "regroup" or there are people actually manning the MG.
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And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
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16 Jun 2014, 20:23 PM
#14
4 Posts: 369
^That. It's much easier to wipe a Maxim than it is to wipe an MG42 because of that annoying animation. The rifle nade itself is just fine. It's strong, but it costs a lot of munitions that could have been spent on something better for the long term, like LMG42s or Teller mines.
16 Jun 2014, 20:26 PM
#15
Posts: 4928
Imo Maxims crews be slightly weaker in some way, but give the bloody gun the ability to back up.
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16 Jun 2014, 20:33 PM
#17
Posts: 1571
I use a lot of penals and grenades are a problem as well.
16 Jun 2014, 20:36 PM
#18
Posts: 2053
Rnades are a good way to move enemy units out of cover without getting out of cover yourself. I forgot how much oorah + molotov costs together (i dont use worthless molotovs) because you need to run at the enemy, lose half a squad, and barely make it out alive just to move another unit. Well, thats what i always see when i am Ost, since molotovs are barely small annoyances for me.
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