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Bring back Sniper in an M3

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18 Sep 2020, 14:38 PM
#41
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Makes me laugh how people talk about the broken shit of the past, as if to imply the current state of the game is anything but a steaming pile of cancerous shit.

Psst. The balance team just replaced the broken shit from relic with slightly less broken shit of their own, but made it ok by spreading it among all the factions and then to top it off made every faction the same so no one could complain...

Well done team.



sounds like you haven't updated your game in quite a while...
19 Sep 2020, 01:23 AM
#42
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2020, 07:31 AMVipper
snip


Again, i invite you to read the comment i was answering to.

i suggest a fun patch with all units having their powerspike stats (e.G. release Tiger ace, release churchills, Katyusche with megaton rockets...)

who do you think would win


Bugs and glitches non included, taking into account current teching costs and adjusting units/abilites only to what they were at certain patches (so no mixing stats from 1 patch with another), the answer is simple. We don't include beta content.


We were not discussing impact at all. We were discussing stats. Which version of X unit would you want for the ultimate broken OP mod/patch for funsies.

It's like you guys can't follow a simple premise in a conversation and need to derail the topic towards another direction.
19 Sep 2020, 05:19 AM
#43
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Oh god dont make me remember the time when a squad model loses vet bonus when they die
19 Sep 2020, 06:39 AM
#44
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Again, i invite you to read the comment i was answering to.


I have read you comment and I do have to point out that at the time Shock troops had:
Armor 2.25
DPS 6.82/6.82/6.82/3.96/2.41/1.44/0.77/0

That made the PPSh having the 4 best DPS up to range 20 superior even to K98 at that range (behind LMG,MP44 and SVT above 13).

The December 10th, 2013 Shock troops where probably at their top of their game, they might had lower close DPS (at range 10) but they x150% more armor and they did not have to close in to beat other infatry and they arrived so early that they where facing only grenadiers.

They would probably beat Shock troops from most patches in some ranges due to armor advantage and DPS at longer and they certainly beat any stock infatry available to Ostheer. In the end of the day the "power" of a unit in a vacuum does not say much, the impact it has in the environment it fight says allot more and during the time shock where CP 1 they where almost instant win when chosen and thus imo they where at one of their "strongest" time.
19 Sep 2020, 13:29 PM
#45
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Sep 2020, 06:39 AMVipper
The December 10th, 2013 Shock troops where probably at their top of their game, they might had lower close DPS (at range 10) but they x150% more armor and they did not have to close in to beat other infatry and they arrived so early that they where facing only grenadiers.



???

Release Shocks had the same armor value. Vet back then was even stronger. Shocks vet was changed to be +20%.
Meanwhile old Shocks got 2.8125 (vet2) and a ridiculous value of 4.05 at vet 3
19 Sep 2020, 14:03 PM
#46
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???

Release Shocks had the same armor value. Vet back then was even stronger. Shocks vet was changed to be +20%.
Meanwhile old Shocks got 2.8125 (vet2) and a ridiculous value of 4.05 at vet 3


Updates December 10th, 2013
CP System Adjustments

Shocktroops CP reduced from 2 to 1



Patch after Updates for March 6th, 2014
Shock Troopers

Armor from 2.25 to 1.5
Cost from 440 to 390 MP
Population from 9 to 10

So when on December 10th 2013 Shock troops where starting with 2.25 (1.5x1.5=2.25). The combination of CP1 and 2.25 starting armor made them one of the most powerful infatry.


19 Sep 2020, 16:05 PM
#47
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I guess you are just trolling now or you can't keep a conversation without derailing at this point.
19 Sep 2020, 18:51 PM
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I guess you are just trolling now or you can't keep a conversation without derailing at this point.

I am not sure how to say this more plainly.

At CP 1 Shock troops where available earlier than ever than ever before. The affect of earlier access can easily be seen with changes to PGs that went from not being used to being used in every game.

Compared to the shocks after the patch they the extra armor and mid range DPS instead of sort DPS. The combination of early access and stat was simply brutal.

You have claimed:

...Guards/Shocks were pushed to 1 CP but they are far from been at their strongest IMO.
....

and imo that is simply false. Shock during that patch had some of their highest stats and where available earlier than ever before. In sort they where at their "strongest".

Their impact was actually so big that one could win by using them.

To bring you another example of might point the T-70 during "industry" might or might not have the best stat it ever had. It was clearly thou completely broken and had more impact than any other time. It was simply at its strongest.
19 Sep 2020, 20:11 PM
#49
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Sep 2020, 18:51 PMVipper
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I'm saying you are trolling because u keep bringing the units in the context of the patch they were released. You still fail to grasp what is been discussed and keep taking quotes out of context.

The question was simple: Put the strongest stats a unit had and "who do you think would win"

Going to your SI example: that's exactly the point i'm trying to make. Due to the effects of SI, the T70 might had been the most dominant the unit has ever been, but it's irrelevant to what we are discussing here.
If the T70 had crush at that time, it would have been 10 times worse. Hence, the powerspike stats you probably want to take from the unit is those which had at release.


I'm not sure how much more clear i can be here. I don't care how much influence they had in X patch. If your point was that 440mp, vet, 1 CP is better than 360mp, 2CP and whatever other stats, it would be totally fine as a point of discussion. I've already said they were broken OP on that meta.

You keep missing the forest due to a tree.

19 Sep 2020, 20:14 PM
#50
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....
.If your point was that 440mp, vet, 1 CP is better than 360mp, 2CP and whatever other stats, it would be totally fine as a point of discussion. ...


I have made both points.
They where at one of the highest power and they had one of biggest impact.
19 Sep 2020, 20:24 PM
#51
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Sep 2020, 20:14 PMVipper

I have made both points.
They where at one of the highest power and they had one of biggest impact.


Good. Now addressed the other points i made.

Also i'm not sure you made your point clear in https://www.coh2.org/topic/106528/bring-back-sniper-in-an-m3/post/834294

when you are comparing 2014 Shocks with Dec 2013 shocks, when i'm talking about 2013 release one. You keep talking about them having +50% armor when the point in discussion already have the same armor value.
19 Sep 2020, 22:33 PM
#52
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Good. Now addressed the other points i made.

Also i'm not sure you made your point clear in https://www.coh2.org/topic/106528/bring-back-sniper-in-an-m3/post/834294

when you are comparing 2014 Shocks with Dec 2013 shocks, when i'm talking about 2013 release one. You keep talking about them having +50% armor when the point in discussion already have the same armor value.

If you want to compare the release Shock with with December Shock, the December Shock where cheaper with lower Pop sightly different DPS different vet bonuses but most importantly they become available earlier (and they probably did not have ti upgrade from SVT). In sort they where superior.

As I have point out already the December shock had some of highest stat and come earlier than ever. The combination imo made the "strongest" they have ever been. At least imo.
19 Sep 2020, 23:41 PM
#53
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Yes what you really need against 4 man squads is a sniper in an m3 . This game has enough cancer as it is without bringing more to the table.
25 Sep 2020, 21:47 PM
#54
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Then i want sniper in ostheer clown car! Race to the death!
1 Oct 2020, 16:21 PM
#55
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make the 250 stock hehe.
3 Oct 2020, 18:13 PM
#56
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i suggest a fun patch with all units having their powerspike stats (e.G. release Tiger ace, release churchills, Katyusche with megaton rockets...)

who do you think would win


What about abilities? Cause if Soviet Windustry comes back, that beats everything imo. T34s getting cranked out faster than burgers at a fast food joint
4 Oct 2020, 13:19 PM
#57
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What about the brit release croc, that thing would anihilate entire armies on its own
4 Oct 2020, 13:24 PM
#58
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Anyone else remembers how it took 5 T34/76 to kill ONE P4 and if it was frontally, it wasn't even certain win?
4 Oct 2020, 13:33 PM
#59
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Anyone else remembers how it took 5 T34/76 to kill ONE P4 and if it was frontally, it wasn't even certain win?


Most of us don't remember the last time you played the game, no
4 Oct 2020, 14:07 PM
#60
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jump backJump back to quoted post4 Oct 2020, 13:33 PMKoRneY


Most of us don't remember the last time you played the game, no

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