It comes rather too early!
Basically meta is shifting from Ostwind > T70 > Luch now!
Especially against USF and Ukf?
Soviet can throw a cheaper T70 and T34/76.
AEC can help somewhat.
Ostwind needs less accuracy on the move.
Ostwind causing a power spike for Ost?
19 Apr 2020, 08:00 AM
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19 Apr 2020, 08:05 AM
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Many units cause powerspikes. This is not inherently bad. Getting an Ostwind is a risk unless you have been dominating the early game, so there is a clear risk/reward situation. Ostwind itself is fine in terms of stats. No changes needed imo.
19 Apr 2020, 08:09 AM
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It comes rather too early!
Basically meta is shifting from Ostwind > T70 > Luch now!
Especially against USF and Ukf?
Soviet can throw a cheaper T70 and T34/76.
AEC can help somewhat.
Ostwind needs less accuracy on the move.
Ostwind has lousy accuracy on the move it hardly hit vehicles when moving.
19 Apr 2020, 08:29 AM
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Ostwind has lousy accuracy on the move it hardly hit vehicles when moving.
It is fast and it hits infantry too well.
If you are usf, how you deal with a fast Ostwind?
I watched the 1v1 games, Ostwind seems unstoppable in the timings given!
19 Apr 2020, 08:41 AM
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It is fast and it hits infantry too well.
If you are usf, how you deal with a fast Ostwind?
I watched the 1v1 games, Ostwind seems unstoppable in the timings given!
It does not use accuracy to hit infatry. You are talking about scatter hits...but I doubt it is that good even vs infatry in on the move. It seem to be inferior to T-70 while moving.
Ostwind is good when stationary.
19 Apr 2020, 08:53 AM
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Many units cause powerspikes. This is not inherently bad. Getting an Ostwind is a risk unless you have been dominating the early game, so there is a clear risk/reward situation. Ostwind itself is fine in terms of stats. No changes needed imo.
No need to be dominating, even if the match is balanced the Ostwind shows up early. You really need to lose your fuel for quite some time to have it delayed.
19 Apr 2020, 09:03 AM
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No need to be dominating, even if the match is balanced the Ostwind shows up early. You really need to lose your fuel for quite some time to have it delayed.
You can still get it early yes, but as I said, that is risky. It's risky as it can't fight mediums and your opponent will have a medium tank soon after if you have not been domination, and that will give your Ostwind all sorts of troubles.
19 Apr 2020, 09:11 AM
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So why is Ostwind timing a problem?, it's basically only 20 fuel and 50 mp cheaper than a p4
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19 Apr 2020, 09:13 AM
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So why is Ostwind timing a problem?, it's basically only 20 fuel and 50 mp cheaper than a p4
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19 Apr 2020, 09:15 AM
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So why is Ostwind timing a problem?, it's basically only 20 fuel and 50 mp cheaper than a p4
Actually I would try reducing the power level of the unit. Price could go down to be about the same or lower than T-34/76 and the damage output adjusted accordingly.
19 Apr 2020, 10:14 AM
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You can still get it early yes, but as I said, that is risky. It's risky as it can't fight mediums and your opponent will have a medium tank soon after if you have not been domination, and that will give your Ostwind all sorts of troubles.
Imo the problem with the Ostwind is that its too good for its timing, but not necessarily too good on its own. Ostheer can easily skip T1 or T2 and have an additional unit for the manpower saved negating the light vehicle play and additionally getting Pzgrenshreck. Mediums in that case aren't even a solution.
Ostheer has a solid early to mid-game presence and I think that's going to be a problem once the meta setup. Allied faction lost it couple of years ago for the same reason.
19 Apr 2020, 10:39 AM
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The Ostwind wins games against braindead USF players who don't build any at and think its a good idea to stall for sherman or jackson with zooks only. This used to work for a long time and thank god this period is over!
USF gets a great early game with good light vehicles. If you can't delay the Ostwind long enough you didn't play the strengths of USF correctly...
USF gets a great early game with good light vehicles. If you can't delay the Ostwind long enough you didn't play the strengths of USF correctly...
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19 Apr 2020, 10:50 AM
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Ostwind is fine imo.
19 Apr 2020, 11:08 AM
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lose against Ost = l2p
sry
sry
19 Apr 2020, 11:19 AM
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Actually I would try reducing the power level of the unit. Price could go down to be about the same or lower than T-34/76 and the damage output adjusted accordingly.
It just got buffed, so it's not worthless and now you want to nerf it again. Just let it be, its strong yes, but its barly an issue if you can manage to field a medium tank against it.
It's armor isnt that great either, gets penetrated by things like ptrs, bazookas or Stuart quite often
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19 Apr 2020, 11:38 AM
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It just got buffed, so it's not worthless and now you want to nerf it again. Just let it be, its strong yes, but its barly an issue if you can manage to field a medium tank against it.
It's armor isnt that great either, gets penetrated by things like ptrs, bazookas or Stuart quite often
There is difference between nerfing and reducing the power level.
Point here is that the patches tend to make units increasingly more powerful and many times more expensive and this is step in the wrong direction.
Unit do not need to game changing to be useful.
19 Apr 2020, 12:30 PM
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It is fast and it hits infantry too well.
If you are usf, how you deal with a fast Ostwind?
I watched the 1v1 games, Ostwind seems unstoppable in the timings given!
How do you counter an Ostwind Rush?
You don't allow Ostheer, a defensive faction, to get that sort of resource lead on you in the first place.
19 Apr 2020, 12:54 PM
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It definitely makes me pay hard attention, but it's completely defeatable.
19 Apr 2020, 13:25 PM
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ofc it creates a powerspike, so does the t70
19 Apr 2020, 14:03 PM
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It is voulnerable to any medium tank. Not much to add here.
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