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ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?

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22 Mar 2020, 18:57 PM
#41
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 17:18 PMAlphrum
the isu152 being countered isnt the problem (this is hard to do btw as axis dont have cheap 60 range, high pen TDs), its the HE shells that can 1-2 hit and delete squads at ridiculous ranges, at times making it impossible to react to

Does the 60 range, high pen of the SU85 help against the elefant? Or is it possible that you are not meant to counter 260fuel casemate armour with the end that goes boom facing you?
22 Mar 2020, 19:04 PM
#42
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Just delete he shells and make isu elefant clone
22 Mar 2020, 19:27 PM
#43
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Arguably the toughest allied unit to crack in 2v2.
22 Mar 2020, 20:13 PM
#44
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Does the 60 range, high pen of the SU85 help against the elefant? Or is it possible that you are not meant to counter 260fuel casemate armour with the end that goes boom facing you?


pair of them can but srsly is the su85 the only thing that can counter an elefant? its much eaiser countering an elefant then an isu152 which can delete some of its counters in 1 hit. isu can engage both tanks and inf so please, curb your ignorance elsewhere.
22 Mar 2020, 21:01 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 20:13 PMAlphrum


pair of them can but srsly is the su85 the only thing that can counter an elefant? its much eaiser countering an elefant then an isu152 which can delete some of its counters in 1 hit. isu can engage both tanks and inf so please, curb your ignorance elsewhere.

Not at the same time it can't. Try combined arms. And make sure the ones that go splat stay away from the end that goes boom.
22 Mar 2020, 21:04 PM
#46
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 20:13 PMAlphrum


pair of them can but srsly is the su85 the only thing that can counter an elefant? its much eaiser countering an elefant then an isu152 which can delete some of its counters in 1 hit. isu can engage both tanks and inf so please, curb your ignorance elsewhere.

ISU has worst accuracy against infantry in the whole game.....

Sure, it can potentially erase something in 1 hit, but why are people constantly ignoring the fact that 10 other hits will miss?
22 Mar 2020, 21:04 PM
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Not at the same time it can't. Try combined arms. And make sure the ones that go splat stay away from the end that goes boom.


So being able to 1 hit squads at 60 range, leaving no time to react is OK?
22 Mar 2020, 21:16 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 21:04 PMAlphrum


So being able to 1 hit squads at 60 range, leaving no time to react is OK?

Take into account the sight as well. It's not like it has sight at 60 range all the time.
22 Mar 2020, 21:38 PM
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22 Mar 2020, 21:45 PM
#50
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 21:04 PMAlphrum


So being able to 1 hit squads at 60 range, leaving no time to react is OK?


The models would have to be tightly clumped to have a 1 hit wipe. It's usually two hits at a minimum, and it's reload speed is terrible, as is it's rotation rate so it's not like you have no reaction time. Nerfing the HE range would pretty much remove it from the game.
22 Mar 2020, 22:35 PM
#51
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If im ahead or even in the game when isu hits the field, i can turn my brain off and let it win for me.
22 Mar 2020, 22:44 PM
#52
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If im ahead or even in the game when isu hits the field, i can turn my brain off and let it win for me.

Easy bots aren't very good at mounting a counter so I believe it.
22 Mar 2020, 22:48 PM
#53
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Easy bots aren't very good at mounting a counter so I believe it.

the 60 range allows it to be so safe behind the lines. It requires very little input and reliably wipes squads. If only my opponents were easy bots...
23 Mar 2020, 06:21 AM
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Anything less would be inconsistent. Every vehicle with the ability to counter ATGs head-on has been nerfed fairly severely: Tiger, KT, Brummbar, Scott (sort of, with the scatter changes), Pershing, etc.

Even in the current balance preview patch, the OKW Tiger lost its "Panzer Commander" upgrade for this exact reason.

Leaving the ISU-152 as the sole exception, while also having it perform much, much better than any of the previously nerfed units doesn't make sense.


At that point you might as well just replace it with a KV-2, which will be much more usefull in every situation.
23 Mar 2020, 08:40 AM
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Anything less would be inconsistent. Every vehicle with the ability to counter ATGs head-on has been nerfed fairly severely: Tiger, KT, Brummbar, Scott (sort of, with the scatter changes), Pershing, etc.

What if... now sit tight.... its MEANT to counter ATGs... because you know.... it outranges them?
Its a unit designed to wreck static defence from long range.

Even in the current balance preview patch, the OKW Tiger lost its "Panzer Commander" upgrade for this exact reason.

Outside of being limited to 1, these units have nothing in common, so using one as example of what should happen to other is void point.

Leaving the ISU-152 as the sole exception, while also having it perform much, much better than any of the previously nerfed units doesn't make sense.

The unit -IS- a sole exception.
Like many other unique units.
All the other units are either stock, much wider available, can't be killed by 1 tank or 1 AT infantry squad getting next/behind them or much more mobile, often a combination of all of the above.
23 Mar 2020, 10:02 AM
#56
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You have Elephant/Jagdtiger in teamgames. L2P


that are useless against the IL2 bombing run which come "funny suprise" with it.
Just get a random t34 and make the ELe/JT uselese by one click...

sounds fair too me
23 Mar 2020, 10:46 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 17:18 PMAlphrum
(this is hard to do btw as axis dont have cheap 60 range, high pen TDs)


Axis need cheap 60 range TD, something as JgPzIV. :rolleyes:
23 Mar 2020, 10:59 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 21:04 PMKatitof

ISU has worst accuracy against infantry in the whole game.....

Sure, it can potentially erase something in 1 hit, but why are people constantly ignoring the fact that 10 other hits will miss?


10 other will miss what? why do u talk when u dont even play the damn game, cuz if u did you would know it doesn't miss 10 hits in a row.

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 08:40 AMKatitof

What if... now sit tight.... its MEANT to counter ATGs... because you know.... it outranges them?
Its a unit designed to wreck static defence from long range.


Outside of being limited to 1, these units have nothing in common, so using one as example of what should happen to other is void point.


The unit -IS- a sole exception.
Like many other unique units.
All the other units are either stock, much wider available, can't be killed by 1 tank or 1 AT infantry squad getting next/behind them or much more mobile, often a combination of all of the above.


who said its meant to counter ATGs? who said its supposed to be a sole exception? where are you pulling this information from? ,if this was an axis unit you'd be shouting it should be standardised but no its in "exception" cuz its in the soviets roster.
23 Mar 2020, 11:00 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 10:46 AMAradan


Axis need cheap 60 range TD, something as JgPzIV. :rolleyes:


didn't know jadpanzer had high pen my bad
23 Mar 2020, 11:02 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Mar 2020, 21:45 PMGrumpy


The models would have to be tightly clumped to have a 1 hit wipe. It's usually two hits at a minimum, and it's reload speed is terrible, as is it's rotation rate so it's not like you have no reaction time. Nerfing the HE range would pretty much remove it from the game.


thats the thing, no they dont need to be tightly packed to get 1 hitted, ive seen fully spread grens squads get consistently wiped in 1-2 hits
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