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18 Feb 2020, 14:28 PM
#21
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 14:22 PMNoinga


Even 2 Pgrens with shreks can cripple a tank and insta kill an LV, and rear flamers? Rifle Company? what a joke. and you cant really work flanks when the enemy has multi layer bunker/MG campfest with overlapping fields of fire. Not to mention pak howies and recon support are VERY expensive with a 540 manpower drop.With 140 muni arty ability.


K, I heavily recommend you switch factions then. Get a taste from the other side.
18 Feb 2020, 15:21 PM
#22
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 13:41 PMNoinga
I can handle Wher players in 1v1 and 2v2 settings, but whenever I want to play the team game settings with friends it becomes a stale cancerfest so is the only option in 4v4 is to lay down and die as USF?
no just uuse rifle blolbs with bar to kill inf and 60 range TD + u can reach 150/100 pop cap

i suggest a calliope doc , it's op in team games
18 Feb 2020, 15:25 PM
#23
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Pgren blobs? These don’t exist past rank 300s.



Pgren blobs die a long way before that, i've dropped down to 1k since i was so inactive, and i've not found them at all
18 Feb 2020, 15:40 PM
#24
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 14:22 PMNoinga

Not to mention pak howies and recon support are VERY expensive with a 540 manpower drop.With 140 muni arty ability.

Which in contrast to the ~660 iirc mp and ~200mu "cheap" double pgren with shreks....

your bias is showing.
18 Feb 2020, 15:40 PM
#25
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 11:07 AMmrgame2
Maybe is confirmation bias, but usf mortar when given sight, is more accurate than wehr mortar. Rounds seem to land much closer and killing my wehr units!


source?
18 Feb 2020, 17:28 PM
#26
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IF you want OP i can change the title to mention 4v4.

The type of suggestion you need is completely different from smaller modes.
18 Feb 2020, 17:57 PM
#27
avatar of DerKuhlmann

Posts: 465

You take men
You put men in car
You drive men into mg42
????
Profit.
18 Feb 2020, 18:26 PM
#28
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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Which in contrast to the ~660 iirc mp and ~200mu "cheap" double pgren with shreks....

your bias is showing.


To be fair all you have to do to rebut that is point him to AshaBlois’ post where he says the recon support para drop is insanely broken.
18 Feb 2020, 22:10 PM
#29
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Which in contrast to the ~660 iirc mp and ~200mu "cheap" double pgren with shreks....

your bias is showing.


M1 Bazooka Muni cost: 100 for x2 at half efficiency of Pshrek
PShrek muni cost: 100 for x2 for best handheld Anti tank in the game

YoUrE bIaS iS sHoWiNg
18 Feb 2020, 22:15 PM
#30
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Entire thread is a L2P issue.
18 Feb 2020, 22:33 PM
#31
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Please do not continue with this, there is no need to nerf a faction that is not even one of the best today, especially when you play with USF, in my opinion one of the most stable factions now. You have a problem in early, if you can not counter it with any strategy or technique, just wait for late, in late MGs are no longer a problem, also OST has a useless t4 right now, just do blobs and 2 or 3 TD as everyone and it will be less difficult to win.
18 Feb 2020, 22:41 PM
#32
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 22:10 PMNoinga


M1 Bazooka Muni cost: 100 for x2 at half efficiency of Pshrek
PShrek muni cost: 100 for x2 for best handheld Anti tank in the game

YoUrE bIaS iS sHoWiNg



Except u can upgrade zooks on any cheap squad like Rear Echelon and Major which are largely non-combat units, while Ost needs to get expensive pgrens. Also, elite zooks are a thing, ya know?
18 Feb 2020, 23:05 PM
#33
avatar of Noinga

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Please do not continue with this, there is no need to nerf a faction that is not even one of the best today, especially when you play with USF, in my opinion one of the most stable factions now. You have a problem in early, if you can not counter it with any strategy or technique, just wait for late, in late MGs are no longer a problem, also OST has a useless t4 right now, just do blobs and 2 or 3 TD as everyone and it will be less difficult to win.


>MG
>just "blob"
>just wait for late, hopefully the tanks they get first wont kill you

You guys suck at giving any useful advice, next time ill just punch a wall until an actually useful solution comes to mind
19 Feb 2020, 01:30 AM
#34
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 23:05 PMNoinga


>MG
>just "blob"
>just wait for late, hopefully the tanks they get first wont kill you

You guys suck at giving any useful advice, next time ill just punch a wall until an actually useful solution comes to mind


I doubt u were here for advice. You're just here to rant. Anyways, have u thought of ever using pathfinders?
19 Feb 2020, 01:39 AM
#35
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 23:05 PMNoinga


>MG
>just "blob"
>just wait for late, hopefully the tanks they get first wont kill you

You guys suck at giving any useful advice, next time ill just punch a wall until an actually useful solution comes to mind



Yeah, the advice given by everyone so far has been fking terrible and borderline useless. I can't understand how this community can give such ridiculously off-base answers. It's obvious what the problem is.








The only advice you need is GIT GUD. Take a big jar of L2P juice.
19 Feb 2020, 01:43 AM
#36
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 23:05 PMNoinga


>MG
>just "blob"
>just wait for late, hopefully the tanks they get first wont kill you

You guys suck at giving any useful advice, next time ill just punch a wall until an actually useful solution comes to mind


pls don't punch the walls, your parents rear echelons will get upset about repairing them.

/good advice

you're welcome
19 Feb 2020, 01:45 AM
#37
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OST meta is boring because they're on the weaker side of things, so when trying to be competitive, they're forced into a handful of "super meta" builds/strategies.

As for your OP, there are some pretty easy counters. 2-3MGs with only one gren means they have zero map presence or capping power. When that first MG shows up, just flank it with some rifle squads. That should force a retreat, meaning you can take more ground, etc. Rush MHTs or Pak-Howies to deal with other defensive units.

PGrens are good at close/medium, but they need to close in and are incredibly expensive per-model. Infantry Company (which also has the MHT) offers M1919s, which are incredibly effective when focus firing OST's smaller squads.
19 Feb 2020, 01:47 AM
#38
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 23:05 PMNoinga
next time ill just punch a wall until an actually useful solution comes to mind


Why? You’ll punch a hole in the wall and skill will come out of it?
19 Feb 2020, 15:14 PM
#39
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Feb 2020, 22:10 PMNoinga


M1 Bazooka Muni cost: 100 for x2 at half efficiency of Pshrek
PShrek muni cost: 100 for x2 for best handheld Anti tank in the game

YoUrE bIaS iS sHoWiNg

Lets just ignore the other factors like the fact that shreks dont come on any squad cheaper than 290mp except soviet at parisans as opposed to any and every squad you so chose including the 3 you get given to you for teching up... or the fact that nearly all squads that can sling a zook are 25% more durable than pgrens.
19 Feb 2020, 18:56 PM
#40
avatar of WingZero

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I think a lot of issues average OST players have is that they forget pios can build sandbags. The use of a sandbag for Grens can do a lot for field presence especially for early game Allied infantry bullies. Thus the MG spam is a no brainer almost every game.
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