Don't think we will see double lmg infantry ever again
Making them cheaper to reinforce is just good enough to tilt some balance of the force
Wehrm GRENS
23 Nov 2019, 11:08 AM
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23 Nov 2019, 13:34 PM
#42
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Grens do not need a T4 based buff, they need to be better vs riflemen from long range. I would slightly up their damage with Kar98s and lower their rof, trying to keep their close dps similar while slightly upping their long DPS, so that Grens become a bit stronger from long range.
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24 Nov 2019, 01:40 AM
#43
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Pgrens already get a discount. So no to them. Getting cheaper reinforcing for grens is just copying other faction gimmicks.
Maybe at vet 3 allow a second weapon uograde. Say if g43 in your doc at vet 3 you can get g43 next to your lmg42 or 2 lmg42,s.
Giving them dps fits them better imo.
Although I would like to see those weapon dps buffs, but personally i think that would make gren spam OP like how okw Falls were after the patch.
A simple reduction in reinforcement cost would be enough to make wehrm early game a bit manageable.
24 Nov 2019, 01:42 AM
#44
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Don't think we will see double lmg infantry ever again
Making them cheaper to reinforce is just good enough to tilt some balance of the force
Exactly, the pgrens fill in the dps department.
24 Nov 2019, 02:09 AM
#45
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Another option I've considered is giving OST HMG-34, and lmg34 upgrades by default, and then having a fuel intensive upgrade at tier-2 for the 42 option.
The LMG 34 would be a virtual copy of the current upgrade, or maybe a cheaper weaker version, but the upgrade to 42s would be strong enough to make an infantry OST late game viable.
The LMG 34 would be a virtual copy of the current upgrade, or maybe a cheaper weaker version, but the upgrade to 42s would be strong enough to make an infantry OST late game viable.
24 Nov 2019, 02:19 AM
#46
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The lmg34 is one of the best upgrades in the game... And you want to make THAT default on 240mp infantry with a BETTER version also available later...? What the fuck? 240mp infantry roght? That can build Bunkers? And self heal? And has a snare? And has a long range grenade so they don't have to get in an unfavorable position to punish an enemy in cover? And centralized dps already so when they drop models they don't lose proportionate dps?
I think pios should get IR stgs because I too don't understand even the simplest rules of balance.
I think pios should get IR stgs because I too don't understand even the simplest rules of balance.
#stalinwept
24 Nov 2019, 02:27 AM
#47
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The lmg34 is one of the best upgrades in the game... And you want to make THAT default on 240mp infantry with a BETTER version also available later...? What the fuck? 240mp infantry roght? That can build Bunkers? And self heal? And has a snare? And has a long range grenade so they don't have to get in an unfavorable position to punish an enemy in cover? And centralized dps already so when they drop models they don't lose proportionate dps?
I think pios should get IR stgs because I too don't understand even the simplest rules of balance.
Yeaa defs no buffs to either DPS or weapon upgrades, the only thing grens need is a simple reduction in reinforcemnt cost. Say, from 30mp to 25mp.
24 Nov 2019, 02:39 AM
#48
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The lmg34 is one of the best upgrades in the game... And you want to make THAT default on 240mp infantry with a BETTER version also available later...? What the fuck? 240mp infantry roght? That can build Bunkers? And self heal? And has a snare? And has a long range grenade so they don't have to get in an unfavorable position to punish an enemy in cover? And centralized dps already so when they drop models they don't lose proportionate dps?
I think pios should get IR stgs because I too don't understand even the simplest rules of balance.
You know the same weapon model can have different stats right?
Like pgren STGs are different from storm pios?
Like conscript mosins are different from guards mosins?
etc.
Pretty sure the ober lmg becomes a different version too if volks or whatever pick it up.
E: the purposed gren lmg34 would be a virtual copy of the current gren lmg42 if thats not clear
24 Nov 2019, 03:29 AM
#49
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You know the same weapon model can have different stats right?
Like pgren STGs are different from storm pios?
Like conscript mosins are different from guards mosins?
etc.
Pretty sure the ober lmg becomes a different version too if volks or whatever pick it up.
E: the purposed gren lmg34 would be a virtual copy of the current gren lmg42 if thats not clear
The only weird ones are the Bren LMG from UKF which change depending on who wields them.
Conscripts and Osstruppen should had a debuff on weapon pick IIRC.
For the rest, any weapon picked is as good as the original. Ober and Paratroopers should be able to move and shoot with any LMG.
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24 Nov 2019, 07:43 AM
#50
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You know the same weapon model can have different stats right?
Like pgren STGs are different from storm pios?
Like conscript mosins are different from guards mosins?
etc.
Pretty sure the ober lmg becomes a different version too if volks or whatever pick it up.
E: the purposed gren lmg34 would be a virtual copy of the current gren lmg42 if thats not clear
I'm well aware. So is the idea to take the mg42 stats and the lmg 34 stats and swap them and let a 240mp unit with a snare and a long range nade and self heal and multipurpose Bunkers be able to get the concentrated dps of a top tier AI specialists with a much higher price tag? Cause I can see NO way that would be broken....
#stalinwept
24 Nov 2019, 08:55 AM
#51
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I'm well aware. So is the idea to take the mg42 stats and the lmg 34 stats and swap them and let a 240mp unit with a snare and a long range nade and self heal and multipurpose Bunkers be able to get the concentrated dps of a top tier AI specialists with a much higher price tag? Cause I can see NO way that would be broken....
The idea is to cosmetically change the lmg42 upgrade to the lmg34, without significantly altering the stats, so you can upgrade into the a better lmg42. This is *NOT* giving grens the ober lmg34, but one with virtually identical stats to the current lmg42.
Perhaps this isn't feasible due to confusion it would cause in teamgames. Something I didn't think about at first as I mostly play 1v1.
At no point do I think grens should have the ober version of the lmg34.
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