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Thread: do assault grenadiers need a buff? 21 Mar 2019, 06:17 AM Imo they really only need a slight buff to their moving damage, and maybe a tiny bit further reach, but at least they're doing something with them. E: for reference they have a .375 burst duration modifier when moving. What ends up happening is they blow their whole magazine during the approach without doing any damage, and then have to go through a 3 second reload animation before they can finally start doing any damage. All the "good" smg squads like shock troops or thompsons have a .5 burst duration modifier, plus a couple more bursts in their reload cycle. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers18 Mar 2019, 23:45 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2019, 21:26 PMLago Would you? For a start, PGren spam means no snares, which means the Universal Carrier's free to do its thing. Machine guns don't care if they're fighting Grens or PGrens. UKF'll also be a unit up. T2 + 3x PGren is 1220. 1220 / 280 (the most expensive UKF T1 unit) is 4.36. Then when you consider UKF's starting unit is an Infantry Section and OST's is a Pioneer, they're effectively two up. Would you take 4x Infantry Section 1x Universal Carrier or 3x Panzergrenadier x1 Pioneer? Pgren every time. You get twice the DPS of a gren with better RA to boot. Make no mistake. Even though they're a tad more expensive than grens you're getting a much better unit that doesn't bleed nearly as much in infantry fighting. The current Pgrens need to be locked behind tech in order to be balanced, but I do think they could come 30 seconds to a minute earlier. You can't survive the stall if you want a Pgren as a large part of your composition. Even if you do survive you're at a point in the game where strong infantry doesn't matter as much as strong vehicles. I suggested manpower reduction on the t2 building earlier, but I actually think some of the fuel needs to be shifted to the 222 and half track. Manpower isn't the problem. You'll suffer a bit under 3 grens, which you should, but you'll be able to save up the manpower. You just won't have any fuel coming in to build t2 with. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehrmacht Rework Ideas17 Mar 2019, 07:25 AM I agree with being able to purchase shreks individually on pgrens. They don't have the staying power for two to make sense. I'd rather see the 2x on storm troopers as it fits more into the ambush playstyle. Playing a storm trooper doctrine into a t3 rush is really fun fwiw. Two single schrek squads feels "'right', and I think it should be a standard option. Would love to be able to build two patches of mines. I'd actually use them then. 4 is always overkill and it's too distracting trying to do the cancel. The rest of it is meh. MP40 grens would suck. It'd be the same problem as ass grens but even worse: technically you can win a fight, but you'll never have enough models left over to capitalize on it. If you misjudge just once and commit you'll lose the squad. StuG could maybe have better frontal armor but suppression is completely out of the question. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers17 Mar 2019, 06:08 AM Imo the only problem with Pgrens is the timing. As a unit they're very strong. 34 manpower or whatever it is to reinforce gets you an STG model with .8 RA which makes them one of the best bangs for your buck in the game, but good luck recouping that 340 up front investment during the armored stages of the game. I think the t2 building cost is what actually needs to be re-evaluated. You've already spent 100 manpower on the battle phase. Another 200 manpower and having to pull pios off the field is just too much. You'll get pushed off the map with just 3x grens. A 4th gren gets you much better field presence while teching, but you're too infantry heavy for another squad at that point. Cut 100 manpower off the t2 building. Adjust the 222 and halftrack costs. PaKs can probably stay the same though as I think they have the same problem as the Pgrens. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Motherland HMGs rework4 Mar 2019, 15:34 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 13:29 PMJae For Jett To directly address the change though, how do you see that playing out? T1 is now completely devoid of AT, so now OKW will always luchs rush (see: the old dshk meta in which people countered dshks with luchs spam - battlegroup was used even less than it is used now). With no penals and no scout car, t1 will probably just lose hard to OKW. T2 will still be dead, because now your penal build doesn't have the early scout car to lift above its weight. You have an AT gun with your penals, and players will definitely need it with how much harder they'll lose the early game without the m3. More than that, you now have, as porkloin alluded to, a tier system where basically all of your anti infantry is in one tier, and all of your anti tank is in the other. If that sounds familiar, it's because that was the design of the old USF lt/cpt system. I'm assuming here that you're talking about my changes i.e. the DsHK for maxim, and also swaps with penals. T1 still has scout car under this, it's the penals that were moved. Flame engies are the passenger 90% of the time so not much is really changing wrt to the scout car's power. If you're playing the new t1 and in desperate need of PTRS you have two commanders options, another commander with tank hunters, and also two other commanders with the light AT gun. The comparison to the old USF tech tree kinda falls flat as the old USF system required 110 fuel to unlock both tiers vs 30 fuel for a soviet player wanting both tiers. Soviets also have their key vehicles in t3 while also having a much better selection of commanders call-ins to shore up weaknesses. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer MG/Early4 Mar 2019, 06:25 AM It's weird how these manpower increases are supposed to both "fix" the MG42 but at the same time are so small they don't affect anything at all. If MG42s are game-breakingly overpowered shouldn't the fix substantially affect them? If the fix is so small as to be negligible why even bother with it? Clearly the MG42s imbalance is also negligible if the fix is. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Motherland HMGs rework3 Mar 2019, 10:28 AM How about: DsHK is default HMG. Penals and DsHK swap tech position. Now there are two distinct styles of early game play for soviets. T1 play is now conscript based with access to all the major AI units thereby soft buffing the long term viability of conscripts. The army trades well if you manage your support units effectively, but conscripts are still the same. DsHK and AT nades are used to hold off light vehicles, but you're vulnerable to mediums if you can't exploit the early map advantage conscripts tend to buy. T2 is more of a late game focused army at the cost of early game power. You get access to penals which as we know scale well into the late game, but they come 10 fuel later so you're probably building at least one conscript squad. The good news is you have access to both the mortar and Zis gun. Both conscript upgrades are skippable as you've got tools for dislodging dug in enemies, and plenty of AT. Due to all the AT available extended T3 play is now an option if you're stuck on the back foot. Maxim is a commander only unit. It gets a price reduction so that you can have glorious spam games, but is hamstrung by an overall weak commander. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript Utility20 Feb 2019, 04:09 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2019, 13:47 PMelchino7 Yeah, it's a simple dmg% reduction. Nah it's not. Like I said I'm a bit rusty on my math. Intuitively I know that higher accuracy units are more affected by accuracy modifiers. High ROF units tend to have lower accuracy and aren't as affected. I don't remember enough of my math to explain why, but I think it's due to the asymptotic behavior of 1/x. Either that or some geometric/ trignometric bullshittery. IDK exactly, and I'm driving myself mad trying to remember. Because I can't explain this as well as I want to I went ahead and fired up cheat mod. Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2019, 13:47 PMelchino7 *Using range 10 cause there's a "hidden" mechanic called point blank which makes small arm fire ignore all but garrison/negative cover modifiers at ranges below 10. Thank you for mentioning this btw. I thought I was going crazy until I realized my first trials were too close. First I did 10 trials of panzer grens vs conscripts. 5 in cover 5 in open ground. 15 of the 20 pgrens that fought in equal green cover remained. 12 of the 20 pgrens that fought in equal open cover remained. 15% difference in favor of equal green cover https://imgur.com/TuSqGT4 After doing these trials, and then re-reading the thread I realized pgrens have focus fire= false, and I didn't want that spoiling everything. I did my next trials with Obers and thompson rangers. Picked due to the accuracy disparity, and the focus fire = true on thompsons. A total of 30 trials. 10 in open, 10 in green, 10 in yellow. From the open cover fights: 22/40 obers remain. Rangers lost all fights. https://imgur.com/tTmrbAE From the green cover fights: 21/40 obers remain. Rangers won one fight with 2 models remaining. https://imgur.com/l7QzyGS So the damage reduction from green cover tends to hide the disparate effects on accuracy. This is most likely why the devs chose to do damage reduction instead of yet another accuracy multiplier. We should expect to find the largest difference in yellow cover, and we do! From the yellow cover fights: 18/40 obers remain. Rangers won one fight with 2 models remaining. https://imgur.com/dqxBlvh From these trials there's a 10% better performance from Thompson rangers fighting obers in equal yellow cover than in equal open cover. 2.5% in equal green cover. Keep in mind I hand selected these two units for the largest accuracy difference I could find. Most units won't experience such a large difference as their accuracy stats tend to be fairly close. With all that done and said: no it's not a simple %dmg reduction. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript Utility18 Feb 2019, 23:15 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2019, 15:06 PMelchino7 That's also false. The only point at which High RoF weapons are better are when accuracy doesn't matter at all cause the target size of the thing they are shooting at is big. AKA vehicles and buildings (which i'm not sure if there is an exception as old brit trenches). The DPS variation between shooting an SMG against cover or a bolt action rifle is the same. The damage is cut in half in both cases against light cover and by 75% against heavy cover. There's specific weapons which have different values against cover (IR STG or JLI G43) but those are the exceptions. You can use simple operations to get a pretty good approximation of what squad wins and all, but the game itself isn't continuous single variable math. Models are discrete entities. Damage is discrete. Accurate modeling involves Riemann sums. Simple equations aren't going to account for left and right shifting. E.g. 20 damage done to a model won't change the squad DPS one bit, nor will 80 damage spread out over 2 models, but 80 damage against one model will. Damage between squads also requires systems of equations for accurate representations. I'm way to rusty on my math to explain all of it, but no it's not as simple as an x% reduction. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript Utility18 Feb 2019, 14:40 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2019, 13:39 PMMusti Here's why its a bad idea then 1. Giving suppresion to infantry is a bad idea, something we have learned long ago, there's a reason we only get it via ability (Rear Echelons) that has been nerfed into near-uselessness or Vet 5 Obersoldaten(Or has it been removed already? i don't remember) 2. The amount of suppresion given would either be so low you would need to mass Conscripts to see any effect (pro tip: we don't want that) or it would be so powerful it could be classified as "cancer incarnate" (we don't want that either) 3. Limiting suppression to green cover only doesn't really work on infanrty that can build its own green cover 4. Seriously, we don't want suppression on infantry, really. 5. Outisde of suppresion, even if it is technically possible to have Maxims be part of a regular inf squad, and even if it is possible le to make it work without being clunky, buggy and with broken animations, no one will actually go through with the effort to get the same result as simply giving them literally any other LMG we already have in the game, and having it behave the way you suggested (limited movement speed, long setup time). Its a cool looking gimmick at best. 1. I don't recall mass RE's or even the Para's with LMGs being particularly cancerous. 2-4. So basically a conscript blob is going to march right up to your infantry, build a piece of cover for all of them mid combat? Even if this does happen guess what. You can walk away. 5. All the animations are already there. On top of being a cool gimmick it should also cut all the conscript and maxim whining in half. In: COH2 Balance