A little background on this thought. I was thinking about the Mechanized Commander for USF and how that commander has more special units shoved into it than any other commander for any faction. Correct me if I'm wrong but I counted 5 doctine specific units; Cavalry Riflemen, M3 HT, WC51, Mortar HT, and 76mm Sherman. I don't think any other commander for any faction has that many.
The 76mm Sherman has been talked about a lot. I'm told it's a copy and paste of the Soviet M4C. The tank makes a lot of sense for the Soviets, I wonder if the Brits would have benefited more from it than the M10. I wondered if it should be in more USF doctines, like maybe Heavy Cavalry to bolster that commander's utility in light of the Pershing nerf.
Then I wondered "what if it were a stock unit". At first I thought maybe people would complain that would make USF OP but the more I thought about it the more I realized it probably wouldn't make a difference. I think it's actually a worse multi-role tank than the regular Sherman, and it's a far worse AT unit than the Jackson. Just adding it to be unlocked stock by the Major probability wouldn't even change anything with the faction.
What if you could unlock it from the Barracks after teching to both LT and CPT and unlocking their respective vehicle techs skipping Major but giving you an alternate tech path? |
The doctrine is pretty meh even though it's filled to the brim with all this crap.
The WC51 is the best part of the doctrine though because for a faction with no early game advantages it's nice to have a T0 unit that can do certain things not possible in any other doctine. |
well, OST needs armour early to compensate for average-ish INF. I supposes if OST was given the option to go 5man gren at T2? it could give OST more options in doctrine-choice
They have really early Panzergrens. I don't see what the problem is. You could try to do a 5th man bolster for Grens and Pioneers when teching to T4 but then you'd have to increase it's cost for teching. |
I thought this thread was about the M20 and how it got nerfed into irrelevancy. |
Well the patches have created more problems than they've solved over the last two years that's for sure.
Panzergrens come out eay too soon, Ost shouldn't be guaranteed their availability either.
Fallschrimjagers come out way too soon.
Supposedly Allied infanry are better but that gets negated when you're giving the Axis factions their elite infantry right off the bat.
USF still has that atrocious tech tree no one wants to fix.
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Take away its ability to turn into a formula 1 car for free, its ability to outrange infantry, its ability to carry squads, its ability to mark target and its ability to call in artillery and it will STILL be 10x better than the kubel, a unit that is actually more expensive.
Yes it is overpeforming.
200 MP + 45 munitions vs 210 MP. No, the WC51 is NOT more expensive than the Kubelwagon. |
I personally don't like what they did with ANY of the standard multirole heavy tanks. They were triple nerfed just to change the meta. All they needed was a CP increase, they didn't have to nerf them into the ground on top of that.
And of course USF got screwed the hardest because Pershing was only in ONE otherwise mediocre doctrine and it was the ONLY good USF heavy tank and call in. So naturally they made you pay more for an inferior tank.
It's like what happened with the Fallschrimjagers but in reverse. "Hurr durr no one uses Falls, lets make them cheaper, stronger and arrive earlier!"
At least the Tiger is in multiple doctrines, isn't the only heavy tank available to Wehrmacht or OKW, and you aren't paying more for it.
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Ugh no...
The whole rifle genade vs pineapple or mills bomb has been a joke for as long as I've played this game, probably longer.
The rifle grenade is better (surprise! surprise!) Which isn't in and of itself bad, but when you factor in that it's the same munitions cost to use as the garbage allied grenades and you don't have to waste fuel and MP just to unlock the damn thing it's a joke. A sad one at that. The stupid "cooked" grenades aren't any better, but at least you aren't paying extra to unlock underpreforming garbage.
And then there are the stick grenades, no Ass(hole) Grens can't just throw one, it has to be like 5 or 6 at once so they wipe everyone or guarantee a retreat. |
What was the point of increasing fuel cache costs anyway? Seemed really stupid. |
Create a Thread about it then, I'm sure you will do great.
I did. It was largely ignored because this community (especially those who still post here) is now 90% Axis mains.
Say what you want about the Tiger, the Pershing got it much worse. Honestly what they did to heavies in the last balance patch was such a lazy thing to do. They just basically changed all three multi-role heavies the same way without regard to how each unit fits into each faction. |