Significant
2 stgs
lol
Oh I forgot do they lose their all their StGs, cheap bundle grenade and durability when they upgrade to double schreks? |
Panzergren with double schreks is such a cancer. Seems like an AT infantry unit shouldn't be so durable while maintaining significant anti-infantry abilities. |
If Axis elite infantry were nerfed then Allied elite infantry would certainly need the same axe to befall them.
All elite infantry have ridiculous DPS. A single Thompson Paras/Rangers or Shocks beating 2 Axis squads is the norm, while Commandos need to ambush to pull that off.
Elite infantry need that superior cost-effectiveness because they usually have no snares/utility and come out much later versus already vetted and/or upgraded mainline infantry. They also have smaller windows of effectiveness because light vehicles are already hitting the field and medium vehicles will follow soon after.
The reason you think only Axis elite infantry have super-high dps is that you only play Allies/USF.
Obers and Panzergrens out class Riflemen but what do all three of these units have in common? They're all non-doctrinal units. So you have standard Axis units that will outpreform USF units despite the claim "Allies (especially USF) have better infantry". So the truth is USF doesn't actually have better infantry at all. The only exception is doctrinal Paratroopers, I don't think there is a better infantry unit in the game but that's limited to Airborne or Recon. |
how does okw deal with the mg and sniper?
in 4v4 the okw is the shit
Never played USF I see. |
Ost has a far superior infantry line up than what you have available to you as USF unless you're talking about Paratroopers. Paratroopers are good and are clearly supeior but only available with a couple doctrines. The Riflemen + BAR thing is not even close to being as good as Grens + Panzergrens.
OKW I'm not sure, Obers a the better infantry than Riflemen bit theu come much later. Panzergrens arrive way too soon. |
As a USF player, I would like to see why anyone thinks rifles are "underwhelming". Please, give us this replay.
I did not say Riflemen were in and of themselves "underwelming", that was referring to double BARs for 120 munitions after a 15 fuel and 150 MP side tech. I did say it's unfortunate USF has to rely on Riflemen as they're the only valid starting unit available. |
I couldn't agree more I think step 1 though would be giving the Jackson AT LEAST as much AI as the elefant has. That will really help level out the usf late game
Actually giving it an alternate HE round to switch to would in fact be a good idea despite the obvious sarcasm. |
I'm not sure how I feel about Riflemen. They had been buffed a year ago with better close range dps which was badly needed but still have a few problems. This unit has no abilities that you don't have to pay extra to unlock, don't have to vet up to get, or don't have to pick a doctrine to use.
Double BARs are underwhelming. A BAR and an M1919 works pretty well but there's only two mediocre doctrines that have that. I wish more doctrines had the M1919, like Rifle Company if not just making it a standard upgrade for the faction, maybe after teching to Major.
As for Riflemen themselves the only thing that I think makes them seem not that great is that the whole faction relies on them at the start of the game because there are no other viable starting units for the faction and infantry like Riflemen are easy to counter at the start of the game. Ost has Osttruppen, Assault Grens or even MG + Pioneers into Panzergrenadiers that works without the need for standard Grenadiers. USF has no viable opening moves that don't rely on Riflemen. Kinda sucks. |
I might be wrong, but aren't OKW and USF simply meant to represent the forces that took part during the Battle of the Bulge and not the USF / OB West in general ? ( That's also why you got paradrop as OKW )
Edit: Just remembered that USF also has Pershing ... so yea. Simply forget my words
I think so. That's why USF is such a garbage faction and OKW is OP by comparison.
I say include the Scout Car with the existing units. USF has by far the worst starting game of any faction, they could use a boost there. |
Whatever they've got like a thousand heavily armored good against everything units so it's hard to keep track. |