5th game in a row I lose thanks to people like this. Shout-out to those 2 players that flamed me all game while doing nothing.
Also, is there a way to not get Chinese people in my game? The ping is usually around 400-500 in games with Asian players. I oscillate between level 18 and 14 in 3v3 games (top 250) and I have noticed a huge disparity in 3v3 4v4 game modes. You'll either get great teammates or you'll get rank 1000 players that are probably new to the game.
I'm really tired of waiting for 10 minutes each time (South/Middle Europe location) only to get 2-3 players that are obviously not in the top 1000, let alone 250 in any mode. Is the game dying on such modes or is it just my luck cause I really can't stand it anymore. |
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Stormjaeger, how old are you? |
Thread: Panther6 May 2020, 08:01 AM
Panther is in a good spot. I don't know why you want to nerf/buff it. It's not a tank destroyer, it's currently the best non doctrinal tank (possibly doctrinal). With MGs you can easily take on infantry and out of place AT squads. With the speed and agility and hp and armour you can take on any medium armour and TDs (let's be honest, unless the enemy is spamming TDs, panther doesn't really care about a single TD). The range part is easily bypassed by not rushing in when there is spotting on the map (flares, infantry, etc). I know for hell I'm not moving my Jackson(s) anywhere close to any enemy unit, be it infantry or tank, cause it's dead before you can react. Last but not least, the price tag is high but the ability to build 2 Panthers and cruise the map in peace, killing tanks is a blessing on it's own. Of course, if you avoid TDs. And if by any chance you run into a mine, well, tough luck (that's why I always have one pio or sturms behind any tank). It counters every allied medium tank (from Sherman to Comet), but is countered by TDs at range (if you get closer you can make any TD your bit**). Don't know what's the big fuss. |
Why? The super skilled 3v3/4v4 players are too skilled to lay down mines?
Rhetorical question, of course they are. Putting down mines is too easy.
Well, I've spectated games where mines didn't matter. On one hand when you do lay down mines for easier pick off (whether some bomb drop from air or arty or spotting for TDs), you need munitions and doctrines for stuff like that. I'm a USF player that lays down a lot of mines and from my experience, they helped me in around 20% of situations. Usually the enemies are smart enough to send one cheaper tank to the front to cover as much ground as possible before dying and setting off the mines. I've seen good players like that, 3 light vehicles managed to set off 7 mines and waste a lot of my munitions. Not 20 seconds after that, 2 tigers, sturm, and 3 panthers started pushing. Now, I had 2 jacksons and my soviet partner had 2 SUs and the other soviet partner was playing AT squads with infantry and Stalin's organs. 1 Panther got snared twice and 1 Tiger. Rest of the mines were on different chokepoints of Redball. They still pushed like hell and pretty much wrecked us. The jacksons were penetrating around 70% of shots which was not enough to kill large HP tanks before themselves being destroyed by a couple of hits. Basically the Axis played dead, encamped on their side of the map (the 40%). I knew there was trouble on the way when when they weren't even trying to take back some parts of the map. They held the bottom VP and fuel point while we basically held the top and middle. We lost the game even though we were leading most of the game up until that point (400-100 and won most of the infantry engagements).
Mines do help and can be a deciding factor early on if you can snare something expensive and kill it. They are most helpful against inexperienced players. I'll never forget that 3v3 Redball. It was a good game even though we lost because it was a bit funny to see how a sh**load of heavy tanks are just slowly closing in on you and you're sitting there knowing it's the end. Mines pop, doesn't matter, snares happen, doesn't matter. The high hp/armour are doing their thing. I respect the enemy players for such coordination. |
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Allies are stronger early on but Axis can easily push through any defensive line with it's tanks. Unless you spam tank destroyers, if axis fields a brummbar and a couple of panthers, you're done for. A couple of games ago, the OST pulled 2 brummbars out of the blue along with a sturm from OKW and panthers from it's 3rd partner. They pushed through mines, 3 AT squads and a couple of tank destroyers with ease. ATs pretty much bounced on brum and sturm and panthers dove and took out TDs. Even though we controlled 60% of the map and were winning engagements, once the axis tanks get together to push, it's game over. Allies are better early on and in field control but axis have a Hail Marry resort. Which is better? They are even, you just have to [hold out/win early on] depending what you play.
But I will say to Xenarra that even if you're decent, it depends on Axis players if they lose the Panther. You can be a good allied player but in 3v3 games, it depends on your teammates as well. One player will always carry the game depending on who they are going against and the spawn position and if the enemy is pushing 2v1.
Summa summarum. In teamgames, there is no stronger faction. It depends on a plethora of factors. IMHO, allies are better early on but Axis have a 99% chance of succeeding a Hail Marry push with tanks if they play it smart (you'll be winning 400-100 in VPs and have more points in control across the map but axis will spam tigers, panthers, sturms and brums in secrecy). |
I think it depends a lot on the time of day. When the Europeans are playing, I'd agree with you. When it's in the evening on the US west coast, it switches.
I just had a game on La Gleize where someone, whose base was on right side, went all the way to the left and started building emplacements. His name was in French, so I think he was trying to build a historically accurate Maginot line, someplace that the Germans didn't need to attack.
 This is a prime example of top 100 game. Games like this make me oscillate between rank 18/16/14 in 3v3. Of course, it's random teams since I couldn't find anyone from Europe to play with me during these virulent times.
EDIT: My point being. One guy will always be super sub par so you'll have to fight on all fronts and keep tabs on at least 7 CTRL-# squads. The 12k dmg guy is top 100 in 3v3.... enough said |
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Axis has stronger late game. Pretty much you'll notice that once the tigers start rolling out, it's game over. Allies are better early on |
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In rank 16 3v3, I get UKF players which spam mortars around the map and wonder why the axis nukes the s*** out of them or flametruck's them, or soviets rushing penals vs OST MGs and holding the 2nd point from the base (1 before the mid VP) and doing nothing. It's random AF.
Even when I was rank 18 I'd get players that bunker down on large flank maps. It's just the way it is, finding a decent team these days is hard, but I do come across some good players. However, I did notice that there is a larger pool of good players on Axis side (the ratio of search is 60/40 in favor of Axis so it could be it) |
Your words are true. Thank God I'm not in charge of balance, because I miss things (see Katitof's post on how the original Valentine proposition was unusable). But one thing I do pretty well is listen. So, would you care to elaborate on your accusations?
I would like to but this thread is big with a lot of recommendations being thrown here and there and I really don't want to be bothered to type it all out. I'm sure you understand. Good on you for being a good listener though. |
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Reading some of the posts... thank God you're not in charge of balancing. There is a clear bias in Axis/Allied. Either you want Allies buffed and Axis nerfed or you want Axis buffed and Allies nerfed... all in the disguise of a "logical" and "intelligent" design. Brits are fine ATM |
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