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not the way u are talking about , the logic is u need good anti inf and good anti tank inf to take on the Jackson right ? So u need to push right ? Do s mines have legs ?

You can counter attack once he runs into S-Mines. It's a lot easier to attack when you know your flanks are secure. Don't forget that.

I honestly find the E8 really awful, but I think I'm alone on that one.

Airborn is my go to.

Use combined arms vs Jagtiger, since JT can't kill AT guns right? Heck, even a single PIAT/Zook squad can defeat JT.

So why did they nerf JT? Cos the "use combined arms argument" doesn't work when a unit can't be touched. JT had way too much range and two-shotting tanks was way too powerful.

The same way Jacksons can't be touched with 60 range and extremely high speed. All other tank destroyers of its class get rushed/flanked/circle-strafed with relative ease and require protection/escorts - but the Jackson doesn't, and in fact is also the best at diving after tanks because it can get out so quickly.


"It doesn't have enough vision" is also a poor argument. JTs and Elefants don't have enough vision to self-spot either, but that didn't stop them from being problematic balance-wise.

Earlier up I made concessions on what should be changed. I included range, moving accuracy, and even nerffing penetration except when using HVAP.

Well the other factions don't really need to use TDs as much as USF,

As soviets i usually go T-34/85s if i want a bit of fun, or ISU if i really want an easy win.

As ostheer i see most of my opponents go P4z mass or tiger with mortar ATG support

As brits its really all over the place and on top of that i don't really see people playing it, its a boring faction.

As Okw p4j or double panthers

As USF i usually go Sherman->Pershing or Jackson--->Calliope.

Thats just the meta of the game right now. And the meta for every faction will always be spaming one type of unit or upgrade. (Like g43s for ostheer, or the old double LMG riflemen <---- these guys were true liberators)


I am speaking from mostly 2v2 experience here.
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The Jackson may be overpowered, but i say wait for more time before making it a fact. A lot of people in this thread seem to being having a knee jerk reaction(me included). I as a USF main player disliked the old Jackson. One mistake slight mistake and any other tank in game could rush you down and destroy you. The new Jackson is a breath of fresh air in the USF late game for me now. Something i can use in my arsenal to finally go toe to toe with late game high armour tanks which USF as a legacy for struggling with.

I propose that we wait and see for another month or so before dropping the hammer on the issue.

This would be what any good designer would do, let the patch even itself out and collect some data. The USF have had a bad time with heavy tanks, maybe the range does need to be scaled back, maybe the movement accuracy.

But I agree, with the way the jackson worked before it was like micro-managing a sniper, you had to constantly pull them back, pull them forward for the job, disengage, etc. Meanwhile, everyone else got to sit their tanks near the front like AT guns and be ready to fight.. the Jackson on the other hand was just so weak and easy to kill if the other player knew what he was doing.

Perhaps the range, with combination of penetration can be looked at. I can see the Jackson taking on any medium, which it should given its price vs other mediums. But the HVAP or w/e the special shell is could maybe be their way of punching through heavy armor? That way it's similiar to the AT gun in terms of performance?

The only thing I'd argue here is nobody else has to pay munitions to try and counter heavies, their tanks.. just do what they do. Soviet/OST/OKW/UKF and USF already feels micro heavy enough.

Thank you for an actual suggestion! My suggestion would be to nerf the rate of fire and speed on the jakson, but increase its pen so the dps remains the same against heavy armor. A p4 will be able to 1v1 a jakson with its slower rof. Also, I would add a tier 4 to usf. Tier 4 would require extra fuel and mp and include access to easy 8s. Easy 8s are able to fight versus okw p4's where normal Sherman tanks cannot take on okw p4s.

Use combined arms to fight, everyones yelled that at allied players for ages, and when axis has to use combined arms to counter a threat its basically impossible even if they have some of the best tools for the job.