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Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 13:13 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 11:07 AMKatitof Exclusively if you have something for the meds. USF, for reasons already mentioned by Sander, do not have these alternatives. There is no "heavy TD" for usf. There is just THE TD, they have no alternatives without doctrinal commitment. If in your definition a TD being able to penetrate a tank 100% of the time regardless of range is overpowered, then we also have to nerf StuG, which pens all allied stock meds 100% of the time at all ranges, while having better reload. Does your argument exclusively focus to allies, or extends to axis as well? Because OKW for example almost exclusively rushes panther with JP4 being used extremely rarely. How would you "fix" that to increase diversity? Tanks are not supposed to be effective and efficient against TDs, its supposed to be the other way around. I can't see why you struggle with that concept so much. Bigger TDs are being used, because they are reliable. They will always be, because they are supposed to. The last time we've seen anyone go for non top tier stock TD was when KV-1 was a call-in as SU-76 was used to support it, not so much reason for that and you see 85 behind it. That means you can't increase diversity without making better option inefficient in some area, in which case you will not introduce diversity, you'll just introduce underpowered unit. And it counts double for a faction that has no alternative at all and just 1 vehicle to deal with all armor. Not really. Not having a dedicated TD vs mediums does not necessarily mean one can not deal with mediums. That is a logical leap. UKF do not have a dedicated TD vs mediums and they can deal with mediums. Soviet do have one yet as you mentioned it is hardly used. OKW have one but it is cost inefficient since it cost more than allied mediums. And that leaves simply Ostheer with Stug that according to the MOD team is UP and it is being buffed. And again my suggestion is not make the PzIV able to deal with M36 but basically not be an XP source being fired upon from range 60 with 100% chance to be hit and penetrated. I still have not seen a single reason why this solution is bad. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage6 Jun 2019, 12:57 PM Guns OKW PzIV Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Penetration near 125 Penetration mid 115 Penetration far 110 ROF 5.75 vet 3 Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Penetration near 125 Penetration mid 115 Penetration far 110 ROF 4.1 KV-1 Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Penetration near 120 Penetration mid 100 Penetration far 80 ROF 5.75 vet 3 Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Penetration near 120 Penetration mid 100 Penetration far 80 ROF 3.3 Churchill Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Penetration near 135 Penetration mid 120 Penetration far 105 ROF 6.8 Vet 2 Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Penetration near 135 Penetration mid 120 Penetration far 105 ROF 4.8 PzIV chance to penetrate Front/rear KV-1 46%/43%/41% rear 76%/70%/67% Churchill 52%/48%/46% rear 69%/64%/61% KV-1 chance to penetrate front rear OKW PzIV 51%/43%/34% 100%/100%/89% Churchill chance to penetrate front rear OKW PzIV 58%/51%/45% 100%/100%/100% In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 12:27 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 11:20 AMSander93 The Panther completely shuts down generalist medium tanks and yet everyone is fine with that. The Elefant and Jagdtiger still completely shut down any one Allied tank and yet everyone is fine with that. Now why is that? Because the Panther and the heavy TDs are way more expensive than a generalist medium tank. The problem with the Jackson isn't so much how effective it is (this is a necessary evil because USF stock lineup has bad AT options and the Jackson's power can't be changed much without ruining the faction). The biggest problem is how cheap it is for what it can do. Taking away a bit of penetration, or a bit of accuracy, or a bit of mobility is all within the possibilities of making it slightly less overpowered without ruining USF. Going so far as to make it terrible against mediums would be too much without redesigning USF's other AT options or condemning commanders that don't have premiums/TD callins. No the Panther does not "completely shuts down" mediums and certainly not from range 60 and even if does it cost 185 Fuel and certainly not everyone is happy with that. In addition as clearly explained this change is recommended for heavy TD and it could extent to Panther if their was a need for it. No being OP is not a necessary evil on the contrary is simply bad desing because it leaves little reason to use anything else including easy8, Sherman 76mm and M10 that are very good AT units. And I did not suggested that it should be terrible against medium, it could be as good as Stug and it would still be fine since it would faster and with turret. If you take "bit of penetration, or a bit of accuracy, or a bit of mobility" it might work vs Panther but it will still dominate the PzIV. The exact number are irrelevant (stug level or higher) and can changed for balance reason, the bottom line is the change will give the tools to balance the unit separately vs mediums and separately vs Super heavies. I have not seen a single reason why that in your opinion would be bad. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 10:52 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 10:11 AMjustaguywithagun PIVs can and do beat jacksons. If you get two and flank a jackson, it will die very quickly. That the reverse is not true (shermans vs panthers) is one of the main reasons USF is forced to spam jacksons in the first place. If a single jackson shuts down a single PIV - it should, because it's A) a specialized tank destroyer, while PIV is a generalist medium and B) costs more; but what jacksons do not do is make PIVs obsolete, unless you let the USF player match you tank for tank. 1) Can and do are different things. Flanking a M36 with a slower tank can happen only under certain circumstance. 2) A flanked Panther will probably lose to 2 mediums 3) PzIV is obsolete once M36 hits the field they M36 has nearly 100 chance to hit the penetrate at max range. 4) Since you brought up cost compare the difference between 2 PzIV vs a M36 and 2 Sherman vs a Panther. Reducing the effectiveness of stock "heavy" TDs vs mediums can and probably will increase diversity greatly. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 10:47 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 10:45 AMWiderstreit For me it is the out ranging system has to be changed. Next problem is that complete cray accuracy of some units. E.g. Ele outranges, but has very bad accuracy on move. For me allii tankhunters need more micro management. The range nerf on movement is a good point in my mind. Range could also be different between normal and "heavy AP shells" and so could be accuracy, ROF, damage... That is the advantage of this approach more tools to separately balance mediums and super heavies. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 10:44 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 10:06 AMSander93 Because HVAP on the 76mm was mostly created as an AT shell because its regular shells have AOE damage. Yet the normal round has high enough penetration and it is better vs medium armored targets tanks since it has better ROF. So you get 1 round vs AI medium armored target and another vs heavily armored targets. The same logic would apply here only their would be no AI since the the units is a TD. (Similar to the MOD I created) Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 10:06 AMSander93 Yeah USF is all fun and games against Ostheer Panzer IV, until it gets vet 2 or until an OKW Panzer IV shows up. USF can't deal with 234+ armor tanks without the Jackson. The AP rounds on the M1 is a decent option, but ATGs are vulnerable, it costs a lot of munitions to use continuously and it can be countered by running away and coming back 30 seconds later. And what is the point of achieving vet 2 with Panzer as it provides nothing vs what you are currently facing the M36? Saying that "USF can't deal with 234+ armor tanks without the Jackson" is a gross exaggeration They have actually a very large list of options to deal with OKW PzIV like: Mass bazookas Super bazookas M1 AP rounds M10 Supported Dozer Easy8 Sherman Dozer upgrade(new) Sherman 76 Pershing Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 10:06 AMSander93 Yes, did you miss the part where it said tank destroyer? Tank destroyers does not mean that they should completely shut down enemy Tanks. That was part of the reason Elephant/JT where nerfed and currently have lower DPS vs mediums than M36 at range 60 (if I remember correctly). I get the feeling at this point that you are simply trying to prove me wrong. I am providing feedback and ideas on how to improve the game. There is little reason to get defensive, you could take the time to read and understand the idea or even test it and simply see if will improve the game or not. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 09:49 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 09:22 AMSander93 If you just want to make the Jackson bad against mediums, you could just nerf its ROF instead of going through all the creative trouble of adding multiple shells. Either would make USF unable to deal with mediums unless they have a 76mm/E8/M10 commander, so I'd say that wouldn't be very ideal. The Jackson needs to be strong (overpowered) because it's the only thing holding USF late game together, because they have a severe lack of other good AT options. If it's too cost effective against all targets, and mostly against mediums, I'd say it's a good start to... just make it cost more than a medium and make it a bit less likely to penetrate Panthers and heavies at max range. No that does not make sense and you are actually contradicting yourself. If creating multiple shell is trouble why was it choosen for the Sherman 76mm and since it has already been created why it simpler to change the ROF than to add the same ability to other units? Why in your opinion it would be difficult for USF to deal with PzIVs? They have the Sherman, the M1 ATG, Bazookas 2 commanders (about to become 4) with "Super" bazookas. And the M36 would be useless simply less cost efficient. If they M36 need to OP to hold the late it does not have to be OP in the mid game also. USF do not have a severe lack of good AT option vs PzIV. Having different shell allow the unit to be balanced separately vs mediums and Super heavies. That would make the M36 not the optimum choice regardless of target. It is not simply "too cost effective against mediums" it completely shut downs PzIVs being able to hit and penetrate with (nearly) 100% chance 20% units away from where PzIV can even fire back while being faster and better at firing on the move. And this change can be applied to all "heavy" TDs including Panther/Su-85/FF. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 08:47 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 08:44 AMSander93 That wouldn't solve anything? TDs would still be effective against all targets, it would just add a mostly insignificant three second delay to switch shells. Yes it would. The heavy TD would not completely shut down medium tanks. For instance if normal M36 rounds had range 50 and penetration 170, it would still be able to counter the PzIV but far less effectively. There would be more effective counter like the 76mm and the Easy8. So one would built M36 only if heavier tank where used. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson6 Jun 2019, 08:33 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 03:55 AMjustaguywithagun If you want to be more creative, then here's an idea: panthers should be removed from the game altogether, except maybe as expensive, limited doctrinal units. Then give ost non-doctrinal tiger like OKW gets (but limit them to 1 heavy, so no tiger and elefant at the same time) because, ironically, tigers are easier to take out than panthers are because of how slow they move and fire. If you want allies to stop spamming TDs, then remove the unit that forces them do to so in the first place. Actually Ostheer would be in much better place if they had a main battle tank in T4 instead of expensive highly specialized vehicles. And M36 does not need to have so high penetration at range 60 to counter Panther. In the end of they day if Panther's armor is the problem iyo lets lower to 180, give panther an actually useful vet 2 bonus and set the fuel price to 140. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WEHR:- Fix "Close Air Support" (CAS) doctrine6 Jun 2019, 05:14 AM Some of the abilities could easily be move to Luftwaffe officer, who is already in campaign and open the room to change some of the abilities. The commander is actually badly designed since it a one trick pony and destined to be OP or UP depending on how planes mechanics are implemented. In: COH2 Balance