(it has a retreat ability anyway)
Yes, you must press T the moment it's in danger or it's in danger of wipes.
Then why is raketen spam in every damn game these days.
And yet somehow a regular PaK gun would still be better in overall effectiveness. Rak spam is a low skill bracket meme ability.
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Yeah I think that's OPs point though. Their 3rd weapon slot is useless for anything other than zooks. Which imo is also overrated. The 3rd weapon slot just isn't that great of bonus, because of the dropping
Thompsons are 90 muni on Rangers and Paras. The tommy upgrade is fine
I think their popcost is too high atm, but idk if I would change anything else
Righto. Yeah it's prob too high. |
No problem.
And I never said "easily beat obers". I expect them to lose vs obers generally. But they do not just lose most engagements. They get shat upon by infrared's and you need to charge MG34. You will lose models but Obers will lose (if they don't use nades). Problem with charging is, Obers won't be alone, and a decent OKW player will always focus down the charging infantry, leaving the BAR rifles that supported the rangers, easy pickings for the obers + volks. BARs ofc being only good close to medium range, static.
I thought that was the general expectation of the testing but alright, I take it back. Well, as you've seen, you just need to run up to LMG Obers with Thompson Rangers to beat them. IR StG 44 is a strictly doctrinal weapon and means you get shredded by M1919A6s iirc, also a doctrinal weapon. Diving them is one of the worst things you could do vs them.
I didn't see anyone saying they should easily beat Obers...
And 3x bar rangers is a significantly larger investment and risk than either Ober upgrade. Obers will only drop the mg34 if they get wiped and the StGs can't get dropped at all. For 180 muni it seems like they should do a little better
Not a fan of either triple upgrade on rangers because of the droprate. I don't even get 1 bar with the thompsons for the same reason
People getting triple BAR Rangers imho is highly unlikely, esp when Thompson is a superior upgrade overall and cannot be dropped. Realistically it's 80 vs 100 muni iirc for LMG34 to Thompsons? I see those guys coming and they get treated like shocktroops. They don't really need a BAR because you'll lose someone on approach typically, then it's 4 Thompsons vs whatever's unlucky enough to be that close.
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this should be seen as a nerf to allies
generally they are much more dependent on team weapons and combined arms to counter stronger units as well as more susceptible to wipes thanks to stuka, brumbar, sturmtiger, etc
*laughs in Raketen, easiest to wipe AT gun in the game* |
- Veterancy 2 Received Accuracy bonus from -23% to -29%.
damn super gigantic buffs, sturms will now be like main line infantry for OKW for sure.
Srsly people comparing a bloody enginner unit to an alternate main line infantry unit with commpletely different roles.
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Well you're not wrong overall. Rak just has a hard time, but can still pen with a 62% chance at far. The proper OKW counter to Comet is not Rak however, it's JP4/Panther and if necessary HEAT. Comet players do not like the Command Panther at all, either. |
You point them at the enemy, move them close and use their ober-level 0.73 RA and shoot. Unit is very simple and can be extremely difficult to get rid of. You should not expect them to easily beat infantry that come later than them and have a gift basket for you.
A test vs Pzgrens would be more appropriate imho and rangers beat those guys hands down easily with weapon upgrades.
Thanks for the data though, cleared up some misgivings I had regarding the matchup. Will definitely improve my late game play in OKW vs USF, been seeing rangers a lot more. |
-50mp for a late game upgrade? That's what you're objecting to?
I would welcome the AVRE and ST just being removed at this point
I have a general dislike of things that bring Comets out even faster. Churchills are alright I suppose.
Mhmm, so I read. Can't say I blame you. Already incredibly nasty to deal with AVRE with map that have hedges or small LOS blockers, but I dealt with it for 2,3, X years. ST is well ST \o\ |
Anything involving skill howies
CalliOP (before commander patch)
Tiger spammers ON YOUR TEAM
Being told that USF was balanced, while it was 2020
SNIPERS
Oh yeah, the big one that made me quit for 5 years: The Combined Arms bug |
Well I guess they can't please everybody. Yay for Bolster reversion, nay for Comet/Anvil cost buff.
Time to develop to a high art those sandbag camping skills as OKW it seems. Welcome back Sandbag Commander.
Also yay for unit and commander portraits! A pleasant surprise.
EDIT: I still say the AVRE buff is a bad idea |