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Thread: Idea for Penals27 Mar 2016, 10:55 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2016, 10:43 AMGlokta Not sure you know what a carbine is........ A semi automatic rifle (according to Relic seperation). Can fire shots 1 by 1 without having to maunal load it, in game G43, SVT, M1, M1 carbine are Carbines. I real life that usually have sorter range (and sorter barrels) than bolt action rifle because part of the energy is lost in moving the part and in propellant gases escaping during reload. In contrast Bolt action rifles have be reload manually, in game K98, Mosin, Enfield are bolts action weapons. (In game weapon using the "Carbine profile" tend to have most DPS mid to close with a drop of at far, while weapon using the "Bolt action" profile tend to have most DPS far to mid with little improvement close ) (edited to be more accurate after pointed out by Putinist and Glokta) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals26 Mar 2016, 23:50 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 22:28 PMFiresparks "jack of all trade" here mean decent at all ranges, like the American m1 carbine and m1 garand. US flame rifleman already proved that semi-auto rifle were a good match with flamethrower. Penal just need a general boost in dps at the mid and long range to make them more similar to the old US flame rifleman. and your suggestion at redesigning them would just just the penal into conscript and conscript into penal. We are just back at square one. The success of flamer riflemen was that the where T0 with access to flamer, grenades smoke grandees, AT grenades, AT weapons and assault rifles, with buying veterancy and great veterancy bonuses and better DPS mid and far. Riflemen remain relevant for the duration of the game while Penal don't. In their current state Penal lose most of their utility pretty fast and compare pale to the very versatile conscripts. Not sure increase their DPS will be enough to make them attractive...a vet 3 Penal is still not very useful in late game... The suggestion aim to give some of the utility of Conscripts to Penals leaving room for both units to work...Cheap infantry Penals, decent infantry Conscripts... Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 22:33 PMLongshot_Cobra Theres something I don't get though. Penals are good at mid range. But so are cons, so what's the difference since at the end all that matters is being in a good cover? Penal are close to mid, conscripts are mid to far...(Carbine vs bolts action profile) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance26 Mar 2016, 13:15 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 12:35 PMtenid The 222 is a car with some light armour plates thrown on it. Even by name it isn't much more than a scout car: Leichter Panzerspähwagen (German: roughly "light armoured reconnaissance vehicle") ... By definition 222 is an armored car... Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 12:35 PMtenid ... The guy you originally replied to said it was worse than an armoured car - pretty much a reference to the AEC. And he's right, it is worse than an AEC for nearly any situation. ... Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 23:23 PMDoggo It would need its cost reduced by 75% to be just 'on par' with those changes. Its weaker than an armoured car. ... If he was referring to AEC he should have lower fuel reduction since AEC is 60 Fuel+ tech and Val is 80... My point is that Val might have far less DPS but it has far more Armor, is a very good crusher and comparing these units is rather pointless since they have different roles, different DPs, different defensive stats. Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 23:23 PMDoggo As for crush, well, I'll be honest I'm not a fan of the mechanic and don't think it should factor into the value of the unit in any way. The game is set in WW2 after all, and last I checked tanks weren't built to run infantry over. It's like having a battleship designed for ramming. The game won't be entirely historically accurate but at the very least it should get basic concepts like "tanks kill stuff by shooting at it". If I wanted pure fantasy I'd play something else. I am not a fun either especially because some units that tend to be good at it are designed with bad AI M10,Panther, Val... You still have t34 designed to ram....on land instead of sea... Glad we can agree on somethings Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 12:35 PMtenid I don't think the fog of war scanning necessitates being limited to 1, especially when OKW can do the same for much cheaper. The problem as I see it is simply that the Valentine is not combat capable - largely thanks to pathetic damage from the main gun. I did not actually suggested that Val should be limited to one. I proposed that Val turns more into a mini Cromwell and that it would have a upgrade in utility (maybe downgrade in combat stats) that would allow it to use the radar and concentration barrage...that would be limited to 1 similar to command vehicles upgrade. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance26 Mar 2016, 12:55 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 12:20 PMbingo12345 the meaning of D.S.R is vetical scatter. 0.125 ≈ 12.5 scatter angle so it's much bigger than LeFH. you can see vetical scatter in this picture Think you are a bit confused...there are 2 type of scatter horizontal and vertical or angle and distance. Horizontal affects how far to left and right the shots will land and Sexton is almost 2 times better than Lefh. Vertical affect how far (or sort) the shots will land Lefh is better than Sexton up to certain range because vertical is capped and sexton has a lower cap....In addition one has better estimate vertical scatter since most times it tend to overshoot and not undershoot... And as you can see in pic the Sexton has allot of scatter to distance and little in angle.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance26 Mar 2016, 11:58 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 11:15 AMbingo12345 sexton scatter is horrible. even i use sexton at range of 40. 2/3 shells are no harm to enemy. Scatter for Sexton is the same as the Priest: D.S.Max 15.5 An. SC. 5 D.S.O 0.3 D.S.R 0.125 Scatter for LeFH D.S.Max 18.5 An. SC. 9.25 D.S.O 0 D.S.R 0.074 So the Sexton tend to scatter more at distance and but almost half in angle it also scatter less in long ranges.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance26 Mar 2016, 10:58 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 09:24 AMMr.Smith ... Given its utility, the Valentine should not be buffed to the point that it becomes a very cost-efficient combat unit. However, its current state is pathetic (sure, the Valentine could lose its ability to crush infantry if it ever gets buffed). Exactly that is why Radar valentine should be limited to 1 and then normal valentine can be buffed. Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 09:24 AMMr.Smith I have never fielded or fought against a Valentine horde before. However, I strongly suspect that a single medium tank would be enough to hardcounter the Valentine horde. I have seen them being used and there are not that bad due to their high speed and smoke. They are very situational though... Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 09:24 AMMr.Smith Thus, if you try to aim a sexton barrage at range 532, your barrage area will look 4.2 times wider. However, even at 135 range, I still find that unit unusable. Being able to fire into enemy base with impunity is not that bad...The problem again is that you need a vet 1 valentine which is hard to get....(see my suggestions) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals26 Mar 2016, 10:52 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 08:27 AMFiresparks ... The flexibility to go long range combat is what the penal and panzergrenadier lack. A successful "mid-close" range unit are more accurately described as jack of all trade. The American rifleman is a successful "mid-close" unit because it's decent at long range combat as well. ... Penal are not jack of all trades (that is the role of guards) they are specialized anti-garrison and anti-fortification unit. The flamer upgrade available to them restricts there optimal range to 20 and below. As long as they only have the flamer upgrade available to them they will benefit more by mid DPS bonus than by far DPS bonus as suggested by Katitof... What they need in their current state is different vet bonuses and different vet 1 ability (and maybe more mid dps)... Redesigning them is a different approach which imo is better. They role of cheap T0 troops with some of the utility of conscripts suits them better...combined with a new role for conscripts... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance26 Mar 2016, 07:24 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2016, 02:14 AMtenid Try comparing it to an actually armoured car: AEC: 400 HP, 40/12.5 armour, 120 gun damage - 280mp/60fu, 8 pop cap Valentine: 480 HP, 120/80 armour, 80 gun damage - 300mp/80fu, 12 pop cap Never claimed that Valentine has decent DPS...Ostheer scout Car is an armored car... Again not really comparable to the AEC because it has more armor/HP and can crash Human. Scout car have lower armor and use wheels instead of trucks. If one want to compare it with something he should compare it to medium/light tanks That is part of the problem with the valentine Sexton synergy. One has to reach vet 1 with the valentine to use the Combo and it rather difficult with a low DPS/fragile (for) medium/light tank. That is why I suggested that is should lose the radar/"concentrated barrage" be balanced as meduim/light tank and have the radar/"concentrated barrage" as an upgrade but limited to 1. The upgrade could then reduce the fighting properties if needed... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance26 Mar 2016, 00:34 AM One of the issues of the Sexton is that is relies on the synergy with the vet 1 valentine to be effective. If one turns Valentine into a normal call in tank and radar/concentration barrage an upgrade available to that tank with no vet required but limited to 1. One could balance all 3 units better. In addition the Command Valentine could even have some sort of aura increasing Sextons performance... Finally maybe Sexton should become a build-able unit (similar to t34/85, easy8) from t1 or t2 making available faster if one can spare the fuel giving UKF a more flexible indirect fire platform. And there is the safest/boring option of buffing it and making more expensive and turning it into a mini priest. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Royal Artillery + Sexton Balance25 Mar 2016, 23:57 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 23:23 PMDoggo It would need its cost reduced by 75% to be just 'on par' with those changes. Its weaker than an armoured car. Sexton would need big buffs and price changes, as Doctrine is useless currently. Scout car HP 320 armor 9/4.5 crush human false Valentine HP 480 armor 120/80 crush human true Not really comparable to an armored car... In: COH2 Balance