Profile of Myself

Avatar Area

Offline Unknown SteamID unknown
Posts: 677

General Information


Thread: Idea for Penals31 Mar 2016, 12:17 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2016, 12:01 PMFiresparks what's with this absolute refusal to buff the penal's mid-long range? the penal's 20 meter performance is affect by both its mid range and long range dps. Yes, it's a lot more weighted toward the mid range performance since it's closer, but the long range performance still have effects on it. You need to buff both its mid and long range in order to have worth while effects. Just buffing either long range or mid range is not going to be enough. Already replied, I never said mid DPs should not be buff, on the contrary. My point from the beginning is that Katitof's claim that doubling the long DPS will solve all the problems the unit has is false (if not ridiculous): Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 18:35 PMMyself In that case Penal should start with 6 bolt action Mosin weapons suitable for long range fights (probably between conscripts and guard level) and their upgrade should give them 5 SVT +1 flamer... suitable for mid fighting...vet abilities and vet bonuses should also be look at in this case. Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2016, 12:01 PMFiresparks If all you do is buff its 16 meter performance, the svt's 20 meters performance is still going to be weighted down by its abysmal long range dps. Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 16:54 PMMyself ...although the SVT weapon profile might need some tweaking (more DPS mid far, less close) I would rather see a Penals become tougher than deadlier... Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 13:13 PMMyself If one gives 200% more accuracy far the benefit at range 20 would be only around 14% while the DPS total weapons area profile would be increased dramatically. On the other hand if one increase mid range accuracy by 15%-20% the weapon would benefit at range 20 about the same, without dramatically increase the performance. Or one could move that mid distance at 20 for similar results... Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2016, 12:01 PMFiresparks you could double the svt's long range dps and still be individually weaker than the rifleman. Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 18:35 PMMyself ... +20 to +174 more DPS is close its far better (especially at vet 3) a Pennal squad would probably be better than riflemen with 2Xbars. In other words a 270 unit (160MP 10FU cost ) would be probably better than than 280+120 MU (150 15Fu tech) cost unit. A flamer Pennal would probably be better than Flamer bar Riflemen...and you don't see a problem with that?...Do you have any idea why Relic moved flamer for riflemen to R.E.? ... Exactly my point weapon profiles where introduced to change the flat weapon profiles and by doubling the far DPS one creates a flat weapon profile...which as Relic pointed out is bad in small arm fire fights... Do I have to explain weapon profiles and why flat weapon profiles are considered bad? Do I have to explain why smaller changes like 15-20% DPs increase mid or moving mid range to from 16 to 20 are better than 200% more DPS far? (I am pretty sure that you, Firesparks have good enough knowledge of the game mechanics, probably better then mine and I do not have to for, you at least.) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: AT grenades can not target OPEL truck/Set up 31 Mar 2016, 10:58 AM AT grenades can not be used on OPEL trucks both set up and mobile. USF have not tested Soviet and UKF. Faust, UKF sniper snare and P. Fuss seem to work... In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: Idea for Penals31 Mar 2016, 09:36 AM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2016, 09:18 AMKatitof So are cons. Sadly, neither of them can use that outside of specific team match-up. Think you are got confused, you wrote "sadly" instead of "fortunately"...if Penal or conscripts had stock access (as implied) to 2 LMG vickes level, with their current stats both units would be broken...and would end up also making the Soviet faction over-perform. And Penal with 2 LMG have around 15-20% more DPS then conscripts by vet 3... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals30 Mar 2016, 18:35 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta ... Flamers drop long range dps - its a choice how is a choice bad? Do I go for a flamer for close range damage, do I keep the rifle for long range. ... In that case Penal should start with 6 bolt action Mosin weapons suitable for long range fights (probably between conscripts and guard level) and their upgrade should give them 5 SVT +1 flamer... suitable for mid fighting...vet abilities and vet bonuses should also be look at in this case. Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta ... Close to a standard rifle ..... at some ranges ..... a T1 dps dealer hardly outdamages a generalist with boat loads of options, just lol, put in weapon upgrades and frankly... why bother with a penal? ... +20 to +174 more DPS is close its far better (especially at vet 3) a Pennal squad would probably be better than riflemen with 2Xbars. In other words a 270 unit (160MP 10FU cost ) would be probably better than than 280+120 MU (150 15Fu tech) cost unit. A flamer Pennal would probably be better than Flamer bar Riflemen...and you don't see a problem with that?...Do you have any idea why Relic moved flamer for riflemen to R.E.? Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta The number quoted was 8, abit below rifles and a 75% increase. Read again things suggested by katitof: Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 16:15 PMKatitof Long range DPS from 4 to 8. which mean double their DPS. the number 4 as far DPS for Penals is (as usual for Katitof) inaccurate but what he is suggesting is Doubling their current numbers... Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta Your ignoring the RA bonus rifles get that makes the ehp the same. Riflmen 580/0.97= 412 Penal 6801= 480 16% more EHP... VET 3 Riflmen 580/(0.970.770.80)= 669 7% more EHP Penal 680/0.77= 623 Happy now? Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta Your ignoring the weapon upgrades rifles get And you are ignoring faction design. The whole USF faction strong point is riflemen and light vehicles. Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta 4) Flamers are best used at range 20 because they have a flat DPS That doesn't mean the SVT has to follow the same profile...... Exactly my point, weapon profiles were introduced to change the flat weapon profiles and by doubling the far DPS one creates a flat weapon profile...which as Relic pointed out is bad in small arm fire fights... Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta But keeping the current minefield of naff Soviet faction design how can you improve Penals with a minor change without clashing roles with another unit?.... not many options. Starting by giving them different vet ability different vet bonuses some of the conscripts utility and adjusting their SVT profile having more mid far DPS but less close for start or give them completely different weapons and upgrades... Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 17:34 PMGlokta Its because you just repeat the same stuff without any kind of justification. Give Penals more mid damage..... mmm great whats the point of that? what does it actually do in game. Makes them better at their optimal range(20), but that would help very in becoming more useful without a new vet 1 ability, new veterancy bonuses and/or a new role... Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 16:15 PMKatitof Long range DPS from 4 to 8. Done, unit fixed. Nothing more is needed, no big changes, no new abilities, no vet changes. Just this simple change gives them new utility without impacting their intended role of mid range squad. Basically makes them Rifles who don't scale as well, but work in contrast of soviet army. But I am not the one that claimed that increasing their DPS would solve the problem of Penals In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals30 Mar 2016, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 16:18 PMGlokta A 20% buff gives Penals a whole 5% more dps at 20 then cons.... ... Some times I wonder if you bother to read what is already said in this thread, let me break this down one last time, after that I will just refer you back to what is already written. 1) 20 is the max range for a flamer increasing the effective range beyond that range makes the flamer upgrade questionable.... 2) It even has more DPS than a riflemen squad at some ranges... 106%(0) 123%(5) 109%(10) 84%(15) 74%(20) 67%(25) 62%(30) 56%(35) A 20% increase in mid DPS will bring flamer Penals close to DPS of flamer riflemen while being cheaper and tougher so it seems about right, any more DPS will probably prove problematic. 3) A double range at range 35 (far) will bring each SVT to be 12% accurate than M1 bringing the total DPS of the squad around 1,12%1,20%= 134% more than riflemen and by vet 3 around 1,341,3= 174% more DPS than vet 3 riflemen while reaming cheaper, with more EHP and with less reinforcement cost. In other words broken... 4) Flamers are best used at range 20 because they have a flat DPS curve not sort... 5) Doubling the far DPs would make the weapon have a flat weapon profile which as Relic has pointed when introduced weapon profiles make small arms fire fights worse... In addition, as I have explained many times, I personally prefer other ways of making Penals more attractive and although the SVT weapon profile might need some tweaking (more DPS mid far, less close) I would rather see a Penals become tougher than deadlier... PLS try to read what is already written because at this point I am simply repeating the same things over and over again. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals30 Mar 2016, 13:13 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 12:50 PMFiresparks ... mid range = 18 ... According to the file extracted from the editor mid range for penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp is set at 16. 17.5 for penal_troops_svt_rifle which is not used in multiplier games... And exactly my point once more. Penal need better accuracy mid not far. If one gives 200% more accuracy far the benefit at range 20 would be only around 14% while the DPS total weapons area profile would be increased dramatically. On the other hand if one increase mid range accuracy by 15%-20% the weapon would benefit at range 20 about the same, without dramatically increase the performance. Or one could move that mid distance at 20 for similar results... Received accuracy becomes rather irrelevant at point blank and that is why shocks perform so good because the relay on their armor and not their Rec. acc. . On the other hand mid to far Rec. acc. works better... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals30 Mar 2016, 10:48 AM Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2016, 09:31 AMFiresparks ... This mean that a flamethrower works well with weapon that have decent dps around 20 meters, mid-long range. Also remember that range is calculated individually for each model. Just because the flamethrower is within 20 meters of the enemy, it doesn't mean the rest of the squads are. ... Flamethrower might be traditionally given to close range troops like sturmpio or pio, but that doesn't mean flamethrower need to be at 20 meters to be effective. ... Exactly my points: Doubling far DPs will benefits Penals with flamer little because their optimum range is 20 and bellow and since 15 is close to 35 the benefits at those range will be minimal... Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 23:30 PMMyself so the difference in range 20 is 14%... In addition the over-perfroming DPS bonus with veterancy will make upgrading Penal with flamer a questionable upgrade since they will lose 20% of their far DPS which will be considerable at vet 3... Further more with double accuracy far the will have more accuracy far then mid...(so the proposed numbers are off) If Pennals are to receive a DPs buff that should be more a at mid range (around 15-20)and less at far... I also agree that flamer and SMG combination is misconception flamer are best use at range 20 since closing will waste you time and increase the enemy DPS. As proved with riflemen flamers semi-automatic (carbine profile) weapons work better with flamer... The exception here being conscript's PPsh who do not actually follow the typical smgs profile and are better in over shocks PPsh. To rectify this inconsistency it would a better solution for relic to replace the conscripts PPsh upgrade with an SVT upgrade being better at mid and at around mosin level far and establish upgraded conscripts as good mid to far range DPS infantry or give them SVT and PPsh for mid to close performance. Finally sturm pios use assault rifle profile which is mid to close (not close)and thus flamers work well on them. As I repeatedly posted if Penal stay in the current role and state what they need is a different vet 1 ability, different vet bonuses maybe a medium buff (15%-20%) at mid range although some defensive bonus might suit them better. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals30 Mar 2016, 07:39 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2016, 19:12 PMelchino7 They are Penal battalions, not penal companies. They are not untrained soldiers, they are officers. AND you are messing the whole early game ecosystem when the only real problem is Penals, and MAYBE late late game conscripts. Yes I am because both units have problems. Soviet are supposed to have a large size army but their mainline infantry cost about the same as axis mainline infantry so there is little difference. Conscripts although mainline infantry have to be used aggressively to move to mid range to be effective and have to rely on abilities and commander abilities. If one buff them in their current state the "conscript" blob will be back. On the other hand if take away their "ourah" ability (in my opinion a sprint ability should not be available to mainline by stock in vet 0)and their anti-garrison molotov (in my opinion anti-garrison weapons should not be available to mainline infantry by stock) they could be buffed to fight a bit better far and scale better. Then can then be established as an infantry meant to fight far to mid in cover. That opens room for the more aggressive cheap Pennal battalion that take on the task of charging the enemy and then retreating... If Ostheer are designed to use support weapons in other word a mixture of units, and Soviet designed to use combined infantry (with long list of call in infantry) the same should extend to stock infantry. For those who propose various weapon upgrades for Penals I have to point out giving weapons that are available to call in units to Penal will is difficult to work since if they overlap there will be little room for both units. Finally one of the current issues of Penals is veterancy. They need a new vet ability and in the current state they need new vet bonuses since those they currently get would be too got in another unit but not useful on Penals... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals29 Mar 2016, 17:39 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2016, 17:15 PMGlokta So your saying take the utility from cons to give to penals, then reduce penal cost. Then buff Con cost/damage to make it more of a damage dealer, which would give it a rifle type profile. Maybe move cons to t1 & penals to t0. And Katitof is an idiot for just suggesting a buff to penals long range. Oooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I did not say that Katitof is an idiot...and I have explain that doubling their long range DPs does not go well with their flamer upgrade which has a range of 20... Yes the idea is to have a cheaper infantry which is cheaper to reinforce...and thematically that role fits better the Penals than it does the conscripts... Yes the idea is to split the utility of the conscript so that Soviet have room to use both units.. Yes the idea could be that since conscripts would still use bolt action rifles some of their DPS could move from mid to far, since the units that would close the distance would be the Penals and not the conscripts. If you want to actually contribute to this thread pls take the time to read what already posted...It is not very helpful if we have to repeat the same thing over and over... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Idea for Penals29 Mar 2016, 17:11 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2016, 17:07 PMGlokta ... So the long range grens still outdamage cons at mid range (as opposed to hammer them at long range) without their LMG...... If you give new Penals ourah, molotovs, at grenades etc to you take them from Cons or clone the units? Cons also have more EFH. They are designed to win mid/close range lose long range... No the idea is that some of utility of cons goes to Penals and then Cons become better and more expensive if needed... In: COH2 Balance