Profile of Esxile

You make it sound like grenadiers are terminators or something. I know their LMG makes them scale pretty well in terms of damage but come on, they are a 4 man squad and even with vet they end up being way less durable than most allied infantry.

Once vet3, they are more durable than any other allied counterpart except for Cons that are at the same level of stupid design made by the modding team.
Modding team gave Ostheer most durable tanks associated with most durable mainline infantry and we're wondering why only Soviet which have been modified the same way by the same team is capable to fight it at tournament level.

USA having a heavy tank always was going to be in the dodgy territory. A faction with strong advantages in early game and midgame, then getting a very good heavy tank would be absolutely meta. And extremely hard to deal with.

It's still a Cheezeburger eating Comet for better or worse.

You'll have to explain us what are the strong advantages you are referring to.

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Pershing is between average and good. The problem isn't the pershing but everything else that is at best between average and bad.

I'm sure everyone would love to bring back 320 damage elefants and jts

Yeah we all want to go back to old meta where Ostheer couldn't last 10 minutes vs USF or OKW couldn't field more than a panther of the whole game.


What the point you're trying to make here? Nobody say balance was better back then but that today we've shift to something else that isn't more balanced.

I'm not speaking about the changes in terms of balance, but rather how the changes impacted the character of the later factions and how their identities were substantially changed in the name of balance.


I can't speak to arranged team allies or axis favour; in my experience, both sides have cancerous strategies and commander choices that need to be countered or feel like cheese on some maps. I find that in an arranged team there is a meta just like in 1v1 and the monotony can be debilitating after a while.

I do have to disagree with the premise that the balance patches were designed with arranged teams in mind. I think that perception is just a consequence of the inherent advantage that arranged teams have, axis or allies.

Then you misunderstood what I said. The modding team has Arranged team matches in mind while balancing the game, not trying to balance arranged team vs random. AT vs random is a necessary evil that can't be balanced.

Sturmpanther can say they primarily balanced the game for 1vs1, true is countless of changes they made had nothing to do with 1vs1.

4) Arranged teams have an inherent advantage over non-arranged teams. This is true in any game IMO. The availability of voice chat makes talking with your mates so much easier than having to take the time to text in game. There is only so much that any studio can do to make things easier for randomly assigned teams.

4a) Having separate arranged and random cues is a bad idea unless there is a huge surge in active players in team games. Even with these relatively healthy numbers (I remember the dark days when the peak players was at around 2,000) a separate cue would make wait times extremely long.

5) Balancing the game around the arguably poor faction design of the USF/OKW/UKF was difficult. The factions had unique mechanics but often lacked non-doctrinal tools to deal with all situations one would find in automatch. One effect of the balance patches, community-run or not, was to eliminate some of the unique features of each faction. For example, USF howitzer and M8 Scott no longer fire directly, instead always fire in an arc; OKW mechanized truck no longer makes you prioritize between munition and fuel gain; OKW veterancy levels are toned down so it takes them longer to unlock all abilities and bonuses than before.

Arranged team always favored Allied over Axis since Allied factions have more gaps covered by strong alternatives. this lead in arranged teams tournament being always won by who was better with Allied factions. The balance team aimed to change that, they said it themselves couple of time.

I'm not complaining here (I posted on the lobby, not balance) I just state that the balance team didn't balance more the game than it was, they adapted it to their view but not balance.

But you're also mixing two different things in your examples PakH/Scott have been nerf out of the blue with because they were too strong but nothing has been made to fill the gap they were supposed to cover, Vet5 OKW has been nerf as a compensation for the gaps filled over time. OKW is the faction that recover from the many design gaps it has originally to the point where people started calling it Ostheer 2.0

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The "Relic didn't allowed us to move unit to stock" look more like a meme today. We all knew it since the begining, MrSmith already mentioned it when he started to propose changes back then. So still using it as an excuse 2 years later isn't valid anymore.