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14 Sep 2019, 20:02 PM
#21
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I feel like COH2 balance is a proof that we live in a multiverse with each person in their own state of coh2 mechanics.

Anyway, l2p etc.
15 Sep 2019, 04:46 AM
#22
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troll thread confirmed

The main problem with maxim is the oversized 6 man squads. My point is with a squad size that large it should not have been buffed without a squad size decrease to at the very least 5 men.


playercard please?
15 Sep 2019, 06:19 AM
#23
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as a wehrboo 2v2 player.
every buff to maxim,vickers,50cal makes it even harder.
because grens are not as good in flanking at all vet levels vs all vet levels allies mg.

the same cannot be said against mg42 against the type of allies infantry.

hence i have suggested to mod team mg42 needs a small buff in either tear down or setup time on vet. this is to equalise in mid-late games.
15 Sep 2019, 06:31 AM
#24
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 06:19 AMmrgame2
as a wehrboo 2v2 player.
every buff to maxim,vickers,50cal makes it even harder.
because grens are not as good in flanking at all vet levels vs all vet levels allies mg.

the same cannot be said against mg42 against the type of allies infantry.

hence i have suggested to mod team mg42 needs a small buff in either tear down or setup time on vet. this is to equalise in mid-late games.


considering youre the noob that tried to buff the perfectly fine panther because "the AEC trolls my panther" id say your opinion is hogwash and you need to l2p
15 Sep 2019, 06:59 AM
#25
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 06:19 AMmrgame2
as a wehrboo 2v2 player.
every buff to maxim,vickers,50cal makes it even harder.
because grens are not as good in flanking at all vet levels vs all vet levels allies mg.

the same cannot be said against mg42 against the type of allies infantry.

hence i have suggested to mod team mg42 needs a small buff in either tear down or setup time on vet. this is to equalise in mid-late games.


Still refuses to L2P ?
15 Sep 2019, 07:14 AM
#28
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 06:19 AMmrgame2
as a wehrboo 2v2 player.
every buff to maxim,vickers,50cal makes it even harder.
because grens are not as good in flanking at all vet levels vs all vet levels allies mg.

the same cannot be said against mg42 against the type of allies infantry.

hence i have suggested to mod team mg42 needs a small buff in either tear down or setup time on vet. this is to equalise in mid-late games.


The grens and pgrens both have excelent nades to cripple or outwright wipe even a 6 machine gun. Pgrens are the ones you use for flanking.
Pgrens do a way better job anihalating an mg they flank then cons or penal will do vs mg42/34. Rifles and tommies will do well simmaler to pgrens.

So i dont think the mg42 needs any buff what so ever. Imo its already a very good mg. It need something(s) to be bad at for balance sake.
15 Sep 2019, 07:17 AM
#29
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The grens and pgrens both have excelent nades to cripple or outwright wipe even a 6 machine gun. Pgrens are the ones you use for flanking.


although the pgren nukenade is simply amazing at wiping stuff... the riflenade is damn unreliable for both the shooter and the reciever
15 Sep 2019, 07:29 AM
#30
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 07:17 AMgbem


although the pgren nukenade is simply amazing at wiping stuff... the riflenade is damn unreliable for both the shooter and the reciever


Yes true its a bit rng, but they are the reason i dont put my mg,s in yellow cover anymore. Those one shotted them there to often.
15 Sep 2019, 07:34 AM
#31
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i disagree gren has a major buff. The word major is not right.
Gren got a good buff against allies projectile at vet3. The buff makes grens suspectible to RA. It is a good buff but not like word major suggest.

But that is only against projectile. I am talking about flanking team weapons, which grens is bad. So is PG considering their costs. Rifle nades are worse compared to handheld nades allies have.

Dont forget allies infantry are better because of moving accruacry and dps because of more man. And mg42 is weakest in packup/setup and repositioning.

Vetted allies infantry is simply better.

Hence i suggest since allies keep getting small buff because they are complaints it is not suppressing as fast as mg42.

Why not look at mg42 pack/setup at vet, since it is most suspectible to allies infantry unlike wehrboo grens.
15 Sep 2019, 07:42 AM
#32
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Thought this was a necro thread from 2014.

Baffles me that people think that the Maxim is overpowered....or even half decent for that matter.

Also that the MG42 needs buffing...

What is going on in this thread?
15 Sep 2019, 07:48 AM
#34
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 07:42 AMGrim
Thought this was a necro thread from 2014.

Baffles me that people think that the Maxim is overpowered....or even half decent for that matter.

Also that the MG42 needs buffing...

What is going on in this thread?


tears from the same guy that thought the panther needs buffs because "it can be trolled by an aec"
15 Sep 2019, 08:00 AM
#35
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 07:34 AMmrgame2
i disagree gren has a major buff. The word major is not right.
Gren got a good buff against allies projectile at vet3. The buff makes grens suspectible to RA. It is a good buff but not like word major suggest.

But that is only against projectile. I am talking about flanking team weapons, which grens is bad. So is PG considering their costs. Rifle nades are worse compared to handheld nades allies have.

Dont forget allies infantry are better because of moving accruacry and dps because of more man. And mg42 is weakest in packup/setup and repositioning.

Vetted allies infantry is simply better.

Hence i suggest since allies keep getting small buff because they are complaints it is not suppressing as fast as mg42.

Why not look at mg42 pack/setup at vet, since it is most suspectible to allies infantry unlike wehrboo grens.


Ok, if dmg modifier is not a major buff then give it back to rangers.

Again, gren is long range specialist designed to fight from static position, they are not mean to be A move. If you want to flank as ost, you buy pzgren, and if that isn't enough, you have a mortar to provide snoke.

If You said allies infantry is better for moving accuracy, point out a unit have any sort of moving dps in the whole UKF stock line up.

The only MG come at the same time as mg42 is vicker and vicker have worse pack up/set up time than the 42. The other two mgs of allies is maxim and M2, while both m2 and maxim have faster set up than 42, they also have narrower arc and locked behind tech which cost fuel.

Mg42 already have an arc of nearly 180°, instant suppress and supported by pio with increase sight range, meaning you often see enemies's flanking movement sooner, meaning you mg42 have more time to reposition. To top that up, ost also have a stock, cheap Mg bunker to defense flank.


15 Sep 2019, 08:27 AM
#36
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Im not looking at just a unit alone. I am seeing the faction possibility as a whole. That's why i say mg42 needs a buff on vet since Vickers maxim got some.

I can be wrong but mod correct me. I think allies infantry have buff against suppression on vet. Many times i get 2 vet infantry vs my vet mg42, and they managed to throw a gren even in yellow suppression.

Worth looking at the stats on them since it is not easily available.

For instance buying a mortar to help your pg flank? Aren't you losing even more dps?

Hence looking at whole is important and not just suppression and arc values..

Other examples, allies mg have higher damage potential, grens will drop models faster further lowering dps. Allies infantry are better at wiping retreating wehr squads, leave wehr more vulnerable.

While consript is easy example to cite but they are now given plenty possibilities after request. Supplement them with other allies infantry ftw.

Hence i have to remind where wehr stand now. Poor scaling, worst faction late game imo.
15 Sep 2019, 10:35 AM
#37
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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Sep 2019, 08:27 AMmrgame2


Other examples, allies mg have higher damage potential, grens will drop models faster further lowering dps. Allies infantry are better at wiping retreating wehr squads, leave wehr more vulnerable.

While consript is easy example to cite but they are now given plenty possibilities after request. Supplement them with other allies infantry ftw.

Hence i have to remind where wehr stand now. Poor scaling, worst faction late game imo.


Speaking mainly as soviet player here. Ost just need to retreat on time. The are not good in outlasting the enemy. They do however have better dps and synergy between units. Dont stay if you know you will loose that fight.

Most allied squad esp sov and usf have their optimal range at short to mid. So getting 2 or the last model(s) on retreat is less likely. Ive seen on many occasions volks obers and grens wiping the last model on retreat at max range.
So allies need to retreat on time as well.
15 Sep 2019, 13:46 PM
#38
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Can we get back to the maxim
15 Sep 2019, 15:01 PM
#39
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I disagree with the OP. The maxim is certainly not over performing and probably deserves another slight buff.
15 Sep 2019, 15:04 PM
#40
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+1 to maxim buff.

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