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08/19 Tech cost:leaving aside all the wrong number like okw
PD: Notice how i didn't discount cost for starting fuel? It's only fair to discount if you also take into account manpower difference with starting unit into account.
If SU is the lowest faction denominator then:
Su: 560mp
USF: +40
OH/UKF: +60
OKW: +80
Katitof-2018
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im sorry dooes okw get puma when it gets tier 1 ? and does okw get snipers ?
/SOV/USF/OKW/UKF
/205/250/260/250
i don't knwo how u all get numbers wrong
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08/19 Tech cost:
OKW:
340/5 (300)
Trucks: 100/15
Deployment: 200/25-45-120
Medic/Engineer: 100/15
1 Truck, 1 upgrade, Flak:
700mp 190/210f (-5f)
2 trucks:
1000mp/250f
With both upgrades:
1100mp/265f
USF
400/20 (200)
Upgrades: 150/15
Medic: 250/10 (2/3 popcap)
Officers: 200/35
Upgrade: 50/20
Major: 190/120
Weapon, nade, ambulance, 1 officer full, major:
990mp/215f (-20f)
Including both MG and AT gun:
1190mp/250f
Full roster:
1240mp/270f
SU:
390/20 (170)
Medics: 250
AT nade/Molotov: 80/10 - 125/10
T1: 160/10
T2: 160/20
T3: 240/85
T4: 240/90
Medics, T1, T3, T4:
890mp/185f (-20f)
T2 with conscripts upgrades:
1095/215f
Full tech:
1255/225f
OH:
420/20 (200)
T1: 80/10
BP1: 100/40
T2: 200/20
BP2: 200/90
T3: 140/15
BP3: 100/25
T4: 100/25
Medic: 150/0/60 (muni)
Medic, T3 (Ostwind rush):
590/145 (-20f) (+60mu)
With T1:
670/155
With T1+T2:
870/175
T1 + T2 + T4:
930/210
Full:
1070/235
UKF
340/20 (280)
Bolster: 150/35
Weapon: 150/15
Nades: 100/10
Platoon: 180/30
Side tech unit: 100/15
Company: 280/115
Anvil/Hammer: 200/50
Medics: 30mu x1 or 200mp/60mu
can i ask why u count the healing of the advanced point INSTEAD of the AREA HEALING ON MAIN LINE ?
it's only fair u do the centaur rush too
Platoon + Company + healing:
460/145
Bolster, nade, Platoon, side tech (or weapon), Company, healing:
810-860/205 (-20f) (+60muni)
Anvil or Hammer:
1010-1060/255
Full:
1160/270
Full + non meta healing:
1360/270 (+60muni)
Katitof-2018
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Please read the post, this is fuel gain for FULL tech. The rest of the discussion is very tedious, as OKW also gets stuff that other factions don't. No use in arguing with you about that, as you won't hear since you pull out those "arguments" quite often.
To the Puma: I specifically said that this is not a tank rush scenario in literally the SAME sentence.
And how I get "all" the numbers wrong:
Nice one mate. First, you only corrected one value, that's obviously "all numbers". But at least good catch, the fact that I mistyped one letter makes all the difference in the argument. Please also respond to the rest of the stuff that you ignored now multiple times.
I do see that you're getting a lot of contra here and in some cases even in my eyes not deserved, but that is no reason to sabotage an otherwise mostly okay discussion. Please come back to a normal discussion culture.
Katitof-2018
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by " u all " i mean u all guys got the numbers wrongs, not that u got ALL the number wrong
yes they do pay for the extra tech i counted that, but not in the fast medium scenario
and even then the number are wrong
full tech is
SOV/USF/OKW/UKF
225(-20)/270(-20)/265(-5)/270(-20)
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THAT WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FOR 2 YEARS, OKW DOES NOT GET FREE UPGRADES, THE UPGRADES ARE IN THE TECH TREE COST
My misread then, sorry.
We're going in circles here.
So (aside from SOV) we have the same numbers (From what I got, aren't SOV 10+20+85+90+25(side tech)?). But well, that does not make much of a difference after all.
Now, can we finally agree that OKW does not pay extra, but basically the same as other factions?
Katitof-2018
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last time i checked usf is 120+55+55+30+10-20=250
and now that i check u got all number wrong, dude..... how is the seocnd truck only 230 fuel ? 190 is the cost for tier 1 and flack + medics , another truck cost 15 fu then 45 for the mech and then 15 for toher upgrade
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THAT WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FOR 2 YEARS, OKW DOES NOT GET FREE UPGRADES, THE UPGRADES ARE IN THE TECH TREE COST
I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE SAYING " UHHE b-b-but OPKW gets freeeeeeee barsssssss and nadesssssss !!!!1111!!!"
btw, no Soviet upgrade cost have been reduced now they pay 10+20+20+85+90
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Not in fuel (although as I said they have a bit more early game income due to map control), Allies pay a bit more in MP for the combo of 4 line infantry (USF 3 plus free officer), 1 engineer, medic and fast tech up to medium.
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THAT WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FOR 2 YEARS, OKW DOES NOT GET FREE UPGRADES, THE UPGRADES ARE IN THE TECH TREE COST
I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE SAYING " UHHE b-b-but OPKW gets freeeeeeee barsssssss and nadesssssss !!!!1111!!!
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this is the
No one is saying that, can you stop acting like a child? Going on freakouts like this doesn't help your argument, the opposite actually
I just explained to you, the entire time we're talking about squads specifically. This isn't about a race to finish teching, its squad to squad cost
Not about "okw gets free upgrades". Its about spending mp and fuel on tech that unlocks nothing BUT upgrades, which Fussies don't have to do. This matters if you're gonna compare them to Rifleman cost...
Katitof-2018
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ast time i checked usf is 120+55+55+30+10-20=250
made some fix, if don't like okw i can understand but there is no reason to make it seems that they pay less fuel for propaganda
leaving aside all the wrong number like okw
u are free to count starting unit mp cost in it i don't believe a 80mp at max advantage is equal to -15 fuel
it's only fair u do the centaur rush too Platoon + Company + healing:
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Katitof-2018
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ok ok would it be different if we removed the nades and weapon upgrades and have them unlock both after a tier and then increase the cost the officers by 15 fuel and 70 mp ?
So you can't stop acting like a child...
You really just don't understand the difference do you? No matter how many different people explain it to you it goes right over your head
Katitof-2018
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ok ok would it be different if we removed the nades and weapon upgrades and have them unlock both after a tier and then increase the cost the officers by 15 fuel ?
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ok then add the cost to somewhere else it gotta be early and late, so to major and second unlock ?
Yeah there might be a slight problem with paying 50 fuel just to unlock an MG and a "free" rifle squad....
They used to pay 50 fuel for all of LT tier, now you want them paying 50 for just LT and .50 cal? Are you on crack?
Katitof-2018
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ok then add the cost to somewhere else it gotta be early and late, so to major and second unlock ?
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u miss understood, u get nade at first unlock, then u get bar at second unlock, the price is divided in late and early tho exmaple: u got liut for normal 35 fuel, u now have acces to normal nades, the second unlock (be it LV or other chap) will cost 15 more fuel and 100-150 mp and u will get smoke bar and zook, then major will cost the remaining cost of the upgrades
So now im waiting til major for BARs? What on earth are you on about, I have no clue what you're going for here
You want fusi upgrades behind flak HQ? That what you're trying to say?
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