OKW's 221 is too weak for its 20 fuel cost

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 05:34 AMgbem

conducted the test in a sample size of 5 instead of the original 3
long range... 221 won 2 times m3a1 3 times
short range 221 won 1 times M3A1 4 times

heres the interesting part...
the M3A1 actually loses to the 221 initially at long range battles... the problem is the m3a1 gains veterancy halfway through the battle while the 221 doesnt... 221 then proceeds to lose vs a vet 1 M3A1...

solution = reduce the exp needed for the 221 to reach vet 1

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 05:53 AMaddvaluejack

If you did any tests, please post your video here. Because according to my tests, 221 will always lose.

For reference:

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 06:01 AMgbem

i dont have a youtube account or any streaming capability... try engaging at maximum range and use conscript sandbags as a measuring stick

also your tests are similar to mine... M3A1 gets vet 1 and whacks the 221 as a result... i think veterancy may be the issue here

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 06:04 AMaddvaluejack

I think you are a terrible SOV player because M3A1's ve1 has nothing to do with accuracy or received accuracy. It only unlock its ability.

Please play more games before commenting.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 06:18 AMgbem

the loss of COH2 hu has impacted my stat collection... i can neither confirm nor deny this...
if i am mistaken in my assessment then fine... but it doesnt change anything... giving the 221 easier access to vet 1 gives it smoke... it can disengage from bad situations while still providing healing

mind you you are not exempt from mistakes aswell since you stated the M3A1 costs 5 fuel when it costs 15...

also regardless the 221 is turreted and can chase the m3a1 more reliably than the m3a1 can chase the 221.... and is perfect for chasing down retreating squads snipers etc... i reliably use the 221 to kill penal battalions retreating on low HP...

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 09:41 AMStug life

here download it and use it https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 06:24 AMthedarkarmadillo

M3a1 overdrive ability actually reduces the target size by 25% according to the ability guide so it COULD impact the outcome I think. Need someone more in tune with the numbers to tell us if ability even helps against small arms or just projectiles

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 14:20 PMaddvaluejack

But neither me nor AI has activate this ability in the videos, so there is nothing to with the ability.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 14:49 PMMittens

The .50 cal weapon profile is better than the MG42 for starters as far as anti-vehicle.
Another thing to note is that to get an m3 t1 must be built and as such should be considered as part of the cost of the unit.

As such this is a fair match up cost wise. Design wise maybe a 222 upgrade could be a thing but the unit as I understood was supposed to give OKW a way to counter snipers and chase down retreating units.... not combat M3s.

As a side note it does rather well vs WC51 (so long as the player isn't smart enough to use marked target but he has to muni sink for it).

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2018, 14:33 PMgbem

we still dont know what vet 1 truly has in store for the M3... none of those stat pages show anything regarding vet changes unlike coh2.hu