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Patch should simply stop trying to make units more attractive by increasing the DPS and try to add utility and new tactics for non mainline infantry.
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Like commando camouflage on stormtroopers or 5 man gren squads. I think that the patches are moving in the right direction at least.
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5 men grenadier squads would make more sense if they brought new thing on the table and come with normal grenades, 5 g43 of level M1 Garand and cheaper reinforcement. Then they could work along Lmg grenadiers.
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So rifles. Just German rifles, but with the best team weapons in game behind them... I'm sure that would be balanced..
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Well they would still appear later, not have access to rack weapons and so on...
Imo doctrinal infantry upgrades could also come with tech cost giving the player the choice weather to invest in infantry upgrades to get better infantry options or to follow normal tech up.
The current CP limitations don't really work since one can spam infantry and just wait to reach the CP requirements that will allows his numerous infantry to become superior.
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still... im not sold at this time about ost rifles being good for balance... quick team weapons is a decisive difference between ost and usf. rifles are meant to bridge that and having access to both might be too much.
i could get behind treating doctrinal units as extra-core instead of a bonus of sorts, it would add another layer and admittedly, it seems to be the trend we are seeing, so it might be best to go all in instead of half assing it. some units should simply be T0 others both call in and t0 (infiltration units) with a slight discount, imo. call ins are too reactive and less premeditated, less tactical and less punishing.
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Having 5 men long range grenadiers vs 4 Lmg grenadiers will simply boiled down to one being superior to other and no brainier choice.
Doctrinal upgrades should be designed for synergy with stock units (even if that comes with multiple restrictions) and not simply replacing them. So they need to bring more to table or/and add strategical/tactical options and utility.
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... They both have a place I feel and making them rifles might negate choice because a 5 man, accurate on the move unit in itself if great (see rifles who are designed to operate with no support at all and stg volks who are designed to make support obsolete)
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Both riflemen and Volks have access to weapon upgrades the suggestion for 5 men grenadier is that are about riflemen level and are there to protect LMG grenadiers from being rushed.
They will simply not be able to operate on their own because they will lose to allied infantry that have upgraded with weapons.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Let me point out that neither rifles nor volks have access to snipers supporting them or a very powerful HMG right from get go.
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Let me point out that 5 men grenadier are not available from the get go since the require CP2.
Let me also point out that my suggestion about 5 men grenadiers, also suggested a tech cost attached to them, being more of choice in investing on infantry at the cost of delaying vehicles.
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Let me point out that 5 men grenadier are not available from the get go since the require CP2.
Let me also point out that my suggestion about 5 men grenadiers, also suggested a tech cost attached to them, being more of choice in investing on infantry at the cost of delaying vehicles.
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