17lbr to 14 Population
10 Jul 2016, 17:45 PM
#21
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For every minute you have a 17lbr alive, you are losing 30mp on something that at most will make 2/3 shots
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10 Jul 2016, 18:04 PM
#22
Posts: 2066
Buff an emplacement? that sounds dangerous.
You know nothing of dangerous
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10 Jul 2016, 22:02 PM
#23
Posts: 919
..and when you finally found a spot where you can place the 17pdr it is so huge that once brace wore off it will be hit multiple times by a single onmap/offmap. They should reskin it with a big crosshair on top. That would thematically support its battlefield role.
10 Jul 2016, 22:04 PM
#24
Posts: 139
17 is fine. Fuk brits 
10 Jul 2016, 22:13 PM
#25
Posts: 190
It's pretty much the only emplacement that's not ridiculous simply because it can't nuke infantry or counter its counter aka Bofors Barrage. You can walk up nearly anything to it and kill it with its best counter probably being other ATGs. Furthermore, it can actually be flanked, unlike the 360 Bofors murder machine.
It deserves less population and maybe a slight fuel decrease.
Yeah, but it should cost that the bofors cannot anymore penetrate main battle tanks or it should cost munitions to activate its damage to tanks.
11 Jul 2016, 04:40 AM
#26
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11 Jul 2016, 09:01 AM
#27
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17-pounder has an enormous hitbox and only 900HP, which makes it trivial to counter the 17-pounder with tanks or anti-tank guns. It's useless as a unit.
Moreover, the 17-pounder is extremely resilient to:
- Infantry rushes (brace, emplacement armor)
- On-map artillery (brace)
- Offmap artillery (brace)
That is to say that the 17-pounder is extremely vulnerable to all the things it should be resilient to, and invulnerable to all the things that it should be ridiculously vulnerable to. The counter system is just wrong.
Just make 17lbr a clone of Pak43 (including vulnerability to off-map artillery) and call it a day.
Moreover, the 17-pounder is extremely resilient to:
- Infantry rushes (brace, emplacement armor)
- On-map artillery (brace)
- Offmap artillery (brace)
That is to say that the 17-pounder is extremely vulnerable to all the things it should be resilient to, and invulnerable to all the things that it should be ridiculously vulnerable to. The counter system is just wrong.
Just make 17lbr a clone of Pak43 (including vulnerability to off-map artillery) and call it a day.
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11 Jul 2016, 10:44 AM
#28
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That is to say that the 17-pounder is extremely vulnerable to all the things it should be resilient to, and invulnerable to all the things that it should be ridiculously vulnerable to. The counter system is just wrong.
Indeed. And we have almost the same crap with Bofors.
11 Jul 2016, 14:28 PM
#29
Posts: 414
17-pounder has an enormous hitbox and only 900HP, which makes it trivial to counter the 17-pounder with tanks or anti-tank guns. It's useless as a unit.
Moreover, the 17-pounder is extremely resilient to:
- Infantry rushes (brace, emplacement armor)
- On-map artillery (brace)
- Offmap artillery (brace)
That is to say that the 17-pounder is extremely vulnerable to all the things it should be resilient to, and invulnerable to all the things that it should be ridiculously vulnerable to. The counter system is just wrong.
Just make 17lbr a clone of Pak43 (including vulnerability to off-map artillery) and call it a day.
I'd like to see them both at least viable. And maybe both at 10 pop cap.
11 Jul 2016, 15:01 PM
#30
Posts: 132
It'd take an at least halved pop cost, lowered manpower cost and a way lowered fuel cost for me to even consider building this unit. It needs babysitting against almost everything, it takes up resources you could've spent toward a tank and placeheld with a few mines and a 6-pdr meanwhile which is more effective anyway, and if you actually count on it for AT you're screwed when it needs to brace (which will be constantly). It like other emplacements is especially weakened if you don't get advanced emplacement or royal engineers for their repairs since you can't repair emplacements without risking wipes on your sappers, so it's in practice a doctrinal unit too.
Writes out of 2v2 perspective.
11 Jul 2016, 15:07 PM
#31
Posts: 738
17-pounder has an enormous hitbox and only 900HP, which makes it trivial to counter the 17-pounder with tanks or anti-tank guns. It's useless as a unit.
Moreover, the 17-pounder is extremely resilient to:
- On-map artillery (brace)
Lefh hardcounters the 17pdr even with brace, sure you will only get 1-2 shots in before he toggles it, but by the time his braces wears off you can bombard him again and destroy the emplacement.
11 Jul 2016, 15:10 PM
#32
Posts: 132
Lefh hardcounters the 17pdr even with brace, sure you will only get 1-2 shots in before he toggles it, but by the time his braces wears off you can bombard him again and destroy the emplacement.
Yeah, indirect fire counters emplacements in general from mortars and leigs to lefhs and stukas. They will either force them to brace and thus not do anything and still destroy them after the brace, while the UKF player is forced to risk wipes on sappers repairing it and/or get royal engineers/advanced emplacements just to keep them alive for a couple enemy barrages longer or so, or simply destroy them if they don't brace as UKF lacks the indirect fire to shoot back effectively.
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